Hypochondria

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Originally Posted by needtogetwell

Sorry about the name error. Autocorrect hates me.

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Very much so.

If the questions are entertained, I promise I am only aiming to help.

Since it seems there is confusion, to clarify -

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just believe people should come to their own conclusions, an not have their beliefs told to them (not saying you were doing that, getwell. I just didn't want to).

I suspect (but am not certain) your answer to the issue behind having a heart attack would have something to do with dieing.

I then would have asked you what are the issues around the death? Common themes are not having yet lived, fear of ceasing to exist, wanting to have more experiences, etc.

Your answer to that question, in my opinion, is what is fueling your hypochondria, and causing the intensity/fear behind your symptoms.

In summary, the fear is not actually of a heart attack, but is of death. The heart attack stuff is symptoms of the bigger fear. In hypochondria, treating the physical manifestations loses sight of the bigger picture, and often the bigger issues continues to manifest in other ways throughout the body. I believe you have begun to see that with the weird laughing sensation you brought up. Alleviating the issue with heart attacks is only a temporary solution.

Also, getwell has been spot on with not driving yourself crazy by drastically changing your diet right away. The stress from trying to eat perfect is more immediately damaging than eating something that isn't 100% healthy. YOU NEED TO EAT. So, make sure you continue to do so to get nutrition.

Diet changes are lifestyle changes. The effects good or bad take time to manifest in a way you can feel.

You're learning to make better choices now, which will transform your life in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Goomba

Since it seems there is confusion, to clarify -

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just believe people should come to their own conclusions, an not have their beliefs told to them (not saying you were doing that, getwell. I just didn't want to).

I suspect (but am not certain) your answer to the issue behind having a heart attack would have something to do with dieing.

I then would have asked you what are the issues around the death? Common themes are not having yet lived, fear of ceasing to exist, wanting to have more experiences, etc.

Your answer to that question, in my opinion, is what is fueling your hypochondria, and causing the intensity/fear behind your symptoms.

In summary, the fear is not actually of a heart attack, but is of death. The heart attack stuff is symptoms of the bigger fear. In hypochondria, treating the physical manifestations loses sight of the bigger picture, and often the bigger issues continues to manifest in other ways throughout the body. I believe you have begun to see that with the weird laughing sensation you brought up. Alleviating the issue with heart attacks is only a temporary solution.

Also, getwell has been spot on with not driving yourself crazy by drastically changing your diet right away. The stress from trying to eat perfect is more immediately damaging than eating something that isn't 100% healthy. YOU NEED TO EAT. So, make sure you continue to do so to get nutrition.

Diet changes are lifestyle changes. The effects good or bad take time to manifest in a way you can feel.

You're learning to make better choices now, which will transform your life in the long run.

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My grandpa was like a father to me. He had a heart attack like 3 years ago, he recovered, and he was okay but then he developed dementia, and we literally had no choice but to put him in a nursing home because he was aggressive and confused. He died in April. He was like my dad, I lived with him my whole life. Now, I started to realized. Holy crap, my diet is junk food. I'm going to have a heart attack, I'm having symptoms of it.

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Originally Posted by Goomba

Since it seems there is confusion, to clarify - I wasn't trying to be rude, I just believe people should come to their own conclusions, an not have their beliefs told to them (not saying you were doing that, getwell. I just didn't want to). I suspect (but am not certain) your answer to the issue behind having a heart attack would have something to do with dieing. I then would have asked you what are the issues around the death? Common themes are not having yet lived, fear of ceasing to exist, wanting to have more experiences, etc. Your answer to that question, in my opinion, is what is fueling your hypochondria, and causing the intensity/fear behind your symptoms. In summary, the fear is not actually of a heart attack, but is of death. The heart attack stuff is symptoms of the bigger fear. In hypochondria, treating the physical manifestations loses sight of the bigger picture, and often the bigger issues continues to manifest in other ways throughout the body. I believe you have begun to see that with the weird laughing sensation you brought up. Alleviating the issue with heart attacks is only a temporary solution. Also, getwell has been spot on with not driving yourself crazy by drastically changing your diet right away. The stress from trying to eat perfect is more immediately damaging than eating something that isn't 100% healthy. YOU NEED TO EAT. So, make sure you continue to do so to get nutrition. Diet changes are lifestyle changes. The effects good or bad take time to manifest in a way you can feel. You're learning to make better choices now, which will transform your life in the long run.

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Goomba

Nice explanation. You have kept in mind that Tim is still 17, and not only is dealing with anxiety, also dealing with the death of a father figure. Not to mention the typical everyday stuff of a 17 year old.

I think you are quite on the mark about his grandfathers death and what is fueling this period of anxiety. I was simply trying to help him deal with something that is a little more tangible at this point. And that he can see successes very easily. Dealing with what you point out will definitely be a more delicate process but one which I firmly believe Tim will be able to do with time.

Thanks for the kind mention.

I'm sorry to hear that. I experienced something very similar. It's definitely not easy.

So, what perspective did your grandfather'a death give you on life?

What issues do you have with dieing?

Notice how you had the thought, the recognition of fear of having a heart attacks and then the symptoms developed. That is the grand placebo effect of hypochondria. Though the symptoms are very real experiences, they have no basis in poor physical health.

Understand that junk food does not cause heart attacks. Decades of poor habits may begin to lead to heart disease, but even that does not indicate definitive heart disease.

If you haven't seen one, a doctor can provide excellent perspective on where you health actually lies.

There is no use in sitting around wondering. Take actions to challenge your beliefs. Begin to build the health, but more importantly, life, you desire. Someone could be diagnosed with heart disease and live decades longer, with no crippling issues. The same individuals best friend can be in perfect health, but die days after said individual's diagnosis due to a car accident.

Live today, not tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by needtogetwell

Goomba Nice explanation. You have kept in mind that Tim is still 17, and not only is dealing with anxiety, also dealing with the death of a father figure. Not to mention the typical everyday stuff of a 17 year old. I think you are quite on the mark about his grandfathers death and what is fueling this period of anxiety. I was simply trying to help him deal with something that is a little more tangible at this point. And that he can see successes very easily. Dealing with what you point out will definitely be a more delicate process but one which I firmly believe Tim will be able to do with time. Thanks for the kind mention.

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By no means did I want to take away from the discussion you two were having.

I think your contributions are great, and I wish I had someone like you that I could have bounced ideas off of when I was at my worst.

As someone who went through years of a hypochondria, I was aiming to add some perspective for whenever he is ready to tackle it.

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Originally Posted by Goomba

By no means did I want to take away from the discussion you two were having. I think your contributions are great, and I wish I had someone like you that I could have bounced ideas off of when I was at my worst. As someone who went through years of a hypochondria, I was aiming to add some perspective for whenever he is ready to tackle it.

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Your perspective on hypochondria is probably better than mine.

Tim you have got a pretty good duo here. We both have experienced is the areas that are troubling you, together we can help guide you through. You just have to speak up if either of us is overloading you with information. Deal?

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Originally Posted by Goomba

By no means did I want to take away from the discussion you two were having.

I think your contributions are great, and I wish I had someone like you that I could have bounced ideas off of when I was at my worst.

As someone who went through years of a hypochondria, I was aiming to add some perspective for whenever he is ready to tackle it.

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I had a one of the best days I've had in a long time. Thank you, you really did help me with your reply. You and the other lady did. Thank you for your reply. It's nice to have someone to understand what hypochondria is. I've been to the doctor, he didn't run any test. But he thought I was fine. I got one of those fit bits, and it says my heart rate right now is 76. That's good.

Hey! So, my grandmother is going to the grocery store to get some food to cook. Tonight she said she would make me spaghetti. I like my Spaghetti with plain tomato sauce, garlic bread, and milk. Does that sound like a healthy meal?

Uh, no

Skip the bread and do multi grain or whole wheat pasta then it becomes not horrible

It's whole wheat spaghetti.

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Originally Posted by NixonRulz

Uh, no

Skip the bread and do multi grain or whole wheat pasta then it becomes not horrible

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Exactly what Nixon said.

If you eat regular pasta noodles, they are "white" carbs, processed and turned into sugar in your body. Same with the garlic bread.

Making your grains whole wheat or multi make it better. :)

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Originally Posted by TrueTimmy

It's whole wheat spaghetti.

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Instead of glaric bread, could you go a vegetable or fruit? Like Zucchini or salad or something? That will make it healthier too! Won't be doubling up on the carbs that way. :D

That is better. I hate whole wheat pasta but manage to get it down without throwing it back up pretty often

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Originally Posted by NixonRulz

That is better. I hate whole wheat pasta but manage to get it down without throwing it back up pretty often

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If you buy the right brand it can be really tasty. Brown rice noodles are pretty good. :)

Well, I don't really like fruits or vegetables that much but I am trying to slowly get them in my diet. I take multi-vitamins, a standalone supplement of magnesium, and fish-oil. I eat cheerios for breakfast.

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Originally Posted by TrueTimmy

Well, I don't really like fruits or vegetables that much but I am trying to slowly get them in my diet. I take multi-vitamins, a standalone supplement of magnesium, and fish-oil. I eat cheerios for breakfast.

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Yea it's hard to add them in when you don't like them. I'm just saying maybe to off set the carbs try something besides garlic bread.


annnddd.. sorry to burst your bubble but cheerios really aren't healthy, heh...

You don't need to cook most veg to enjoy them. Also taste buds change. What you don't like now you might in a year or two. over the years my taste buds have changed so much I enjoy foods I despised when I was younger

Ed

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Originally Posted by raggamuffin

You don't need to cook most veg to enjoy them. Also taste buds change. What you don't like now you might in a year or two. over the years my taste buds have changed so much I enjoy foods I despised when I was younger

Ed

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I tried a salad a couple days ago? I hated it, I couldn't even get it down. I'm trying other things though. Maybe like some cucumber, or rice. I do like corn, and potatoes.

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Originally Posted by mrslizzyg

Yea it's hard to add them in when you don't like them. I'm just saying maybe to off set the carbs try something besides garlic bread.


annnddd.. sorry to burst your bubble but cheerios really aren't healthy, heh...

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Why wouldn't they be healthy. Here is the nutrition facts from what I eat: http://www.browniebites.net/wp-conte...ition-info.jpg

Rice is good. Get some brown rice. Maybe chop up some veg you do like. Sweetcorn? Cucumber? Stuff like that. Then just boil it all in a saucepan until the rice is done. Shapow all done.

Ed

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Originally Posted by TrueTimmy

Why wouldn't they be healthy. Here is the nutrition facts from what I eat: http://www.browniebites.net/wp-conte...ition-info.jpg

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WAAYYY too much processed sh*t in them, honestly. Grocery stores and big companies get people fooled by saying things are healthy but in reality they have additives that are not only bad for your body but are not needed.

It's got 17grams of sugar already and that doesn't include the corn syrup they added into it. That's A LOT of sugar for breakfast.


I don't eat perfect and I am not a nutritionist.. but I have been a personal trainer and am currently a fitness coach to help people lose weight.. so I'm not just blowing smoke here.

Hey Tim!

Nixon and Lizzy are my friends. They won't steer you wrong.

Wish I could eat spaghetti, grain products and me don't mix well.

How has your day been?

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Originally Posted by mrslizzyg

WAAYYY too much processed sh*t in them, honestly. Grocery stores and big companies get people fooled by saying things are healthy but in reality they have additives that are not only bad for your body but are not needed.

It's got 17grams of sugar already and that doesn't include the corn syrup they added into it. That's A LOT of sugar for breakfast.


I don't eat perfect and I am not a nutritionist.. but I have been a personal trainer and am currently a fitness coach to help people lose weight.. so I'm not just blowing smoke here.

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I'm not trying to lose weight, I'm trying to make myself feel better about what I eat. I have a high metabolism. My fear is a heart attack because of all the junk food. High in saturated fats, and stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by TrueTimmy

I'm not trying to lose weight, I'm trying to make myself feel better about what I eat. I have a high metabolism. My fear is a heart attack because of all the junk food. High in saturated fats, and stuff like that.

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The additives and sugar(practically makes it a junk food) in this are something you would want to pay attention to, regardless of weight loss or not. It's not healthy for your body in many ways. :)

There are WORSE things you could eat. But I would never put this on a list of "healthy."

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Originally Posted by needtogetwell

Hey Tim!

Nixon and Lizzy are my friends. They won't steer you wrong.

Wish I could eat spaghetti, grain products and me don't mix well.

How has your day been?

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Hey! Yesterday and today my condition has been at a minimum. Last night I skyped with my Girlfriend, and went to bed pretty easily. Today I woke up, ate some cheerios took my supplements and meds. I just got back from a run, I didn't run too much, just got my heart rate up to about 170. About a 1/4 of a mile. I'm about to go on another one. I ate a Fiber One bar today too. I've been doing a lot better. Of course, I still have a little worry in me, but maybe in time it'll go away. Thanks! I'll catch up with you later!

Tim,

You're not always going to be able to eat healthy to the point of the food always being organic, unprocessed, preservative free, etc, etc.

With just about everything you buy you can find something to deem it unhealthy.

Whole wheat pasta and Cheerios are definitely a step up from junk food. While they certainly are not the epitome of health, they are also better choices than many of your alternatives.

It's about finding a balance, and being aware of what you are putting in your body. Learn to incorporate the healthy foods (fruits, vegetables, good protein) in addition to the spaghetti.

As you are educating yourself about food, you will begin to find what it means to eat purely healthy, and be able to apply that information in a way that works with your body.

But, do not stress about eating Cheerios and spaghetti. It is good you are learning to eat better, and these foods, while not overly healthy (in the way of having extra unnecessary components), will provide your body with some nutrition.

Eating these foods today are not contributing to heart disease.

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Originally Posted by TrueTimmy

I'm not trying to lose weight, I'm trying to make myself feel better about what I eat. I have a high metabolism. My fear is a heart attack because of all the junk food. High in saturated fats, and stuff like that.

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You know what may be a better idea?

Get your anxiety in check so you don't fear irrational things like a heart attack at 17

You should be eating crappy stuff all the time at 17 and enjoying it. Its the law of nature

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Originally Posted by Goomba

Tim,

You're not always going to be able to eat healthy to the point of the food always being organic, unprocessed, preservative free, etc, etc.

With just about everything you buy you can find something to deem it unhealthy.

Whole wheat pasta and Cheerios are definitely a step up from junk food. While they certainly are not the epitome of health, they are also better choices than many of your alternatives.

It's about finding a balance, and being aware of what you are putting in your body. Learn to incorporate the healthy foods (fruits, vegetables, good protein) in addition to the spaghetti.

As you are educating yourself about food, you will begin to find what it means to eat purely healthy, and be able to apply that information in a way that works with your body.

But, do not stress about eating Cheerios and spaghetti. It is good you are learning to eat better, and these foods, while not overly healthy (in the way of having extra unnecessary components), will provide your body with some nutrition.

Eating these foods today are not contributing to heart disease.

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I agree completely :)

Sorry if I was coming off harsh, Tim. I just have a deep passion for this kind of stuff so sometimes I don't know when to shut up.

You guys are great! :) What an awesome community, I play video games, and I'm not used to people being this nice on the Internet. I've had almost 2 miles of walking/running throughout my day today. :)

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Originally Posted by TrueTimmy

You guys are great! :) What an awesome community, I play video games, and I'm not used to people being this nice on the Internet. I've had almost 2 miles of walking/running throughout my day today. :)

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My husband plays video games so I totally get that, a lot of "F$^@ s!#@! C#%# F2^#%@&*&#%@$#@"
going on there.. lol

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Originally Posted by mrslizzyg

My husband plays video games so I totally get that, a lot of "F$^@ s!#@! C#%# F2^#%@&*&#%@$#@"
going on there.. lol

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Its typically not as bad on PC. Which is what I play, they've always helped me be happy. Of course, it can promote sedentary lifestyle. I have barely touched video games in the past month beacause of my anxiety, but I think I might be able to play them again soon :)

Have you played league of legends? Lol the rage in that community is unreal.

But, I guess that's what happens when you ask a world of selfish people to work as a team.

Ohh the games are fun! Just a *few* of the people are... interesting? lol I guess that is a good word.

That's awesome :) glad you are doing well!

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Originally Posted by Goomba

Have you played league of legends? Lol the rage in that community is unreal.

But, I guess that's what happens when you ask a world of selfish people to work as a team.

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Yeah I was Gold V in League Of Legends but I hate the game now. :(

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Originally Posted by TrueTimmy

Yeah I was Gold V in League Of Legends but I hate the game now. :(

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LOL.

I was gold something too.

I don't hate it, but I find myself playing it less and less.

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Originally Posted by Goomba

LOL.

I was gold something too.

I don't hate it, but I find myself playing it less and less.

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Do you have a Steam account?

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Originally Posted by TrueTimmy

Do you have a Steam account?

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Of course!

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Originally Posted by Goomba

Of course!

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http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198045546389/ Add me! :D

So, I told you my friends were good people!

Now I really feel like the mom around here! I haven't got a clue what these games are! Lol

My son doesn't play online games at all and he has kind of lost interest in his Wii and play station.

Glad you are enjoying your time here.