You Have to Do the Work...

[PanicCured]

PC..

I am not disagreeing with your message. Yes you need to "do the work" if you want to recover. I have said myself, that drugs are not a stand alone solution.

But I disagree with your inference that anyone not doing the work, just wants to live with anxiety, or is lazy.

You described your anxiety as 11/10. Do you really think that anxiety can have a mere 10 point scale? I would bet that if you asked on this site, at least 50% would describe their worst moments as 11/10.

Have you been violently sexual assaulted? Have you been through war? Did you have a near death experience? Were your parent's abusive? Did you have a long history of anxiety?

What exactly did you recover from?

You say to do the work..what exactly does it mean to "do the work". Yes i read your other posts. You advocate passive acceptance and exposure therapy. So what does that mean for exactly? Do we do 20 minutes of exposure therapy per day, every other day? As often as possible? what are the specifics?

When I first got my condition, I was so uncomfortable, easily "11/10". I'd actually say more like "12/10" (I won't go over my list of symptoms again..it's out there) I posted on a ptsd related discussion board. They all kind of laughed at me. If you read their horror stories, you can discover a new definition of problematic anxiety. People that go weeks without sleeping. They can't leave their beds. All sorts of horrors.

On top of that, keep in mind that everyone's bio-chemistry is different. Some people may not see recovery after months of putting in the work. It is easy to see why they would be discouraged.

As far as the use of supplements go, the only proof that you have that they work is that you used them yourself (at the same time you were doing CBT) as your recovered. I really don't understand how a smart guy could fail to see the logic here. You can't prove how much of your recovery was CBT and how much was aided by supplements. Your guidelines for recovery are all based on hunches being disguised as "facts".

Have you heard of a thing called the subconscious? See, people do things from their subconscious all of the time without fully realizing what they are doing. So, many people who have built their identity as an anxious person with limitation, and to get rid of that anxiety, means a loss of self. Sub-Consciously this creates barriers in getting better because "Anxiety Person" is how they identify with themselves. Its isn't like someone wakes up one day and says "You know what, I totally want to suffer from anxiety!" People that are sick, that involves limitations to their lives, that they have built their entire lives around, MANY DO INDEED NOT WANT TO GET BETTER as that means a loss of their identity.

If you do not understand this, than too bad. I am not explaining it again.

Many supplements all over the place are proven to work so that comment is so intellectually vacuous it is laughable. Anyone can google certain herbs and supplements and read about the studies done for various ailments. Yet doctors do not cure people of anxiety with their billions of dollars of studies so the point is moot anyway! And many herbs do not act on the body in the same way as pharmaceuticals. The key is to take the correct supplements and as I keep repeating, supplements SUPPLEMENT the healing process and are not the absolute cure in themselves, but offer the part of the healing that involves physically healing the body.

I see people like you as an obstacle on this site for sufferers seeing help. Again, you are another person on this site that fights any advice I give, yet still suffers form anxiety so what's the point?