Once More Into The Breach

[fixmybrokenmind]

Seems she was scared off by somebody trying to help...

Hopefully she went to somewhere where "medically proven methodologies are encouraged" AKA your local doctors office.

[PanicCured]

Wait... is there a way to delete my account? I've been reading some of "PanicCured"s articles and they seem like 1) he's the Big Dude here and 2) what he says is utter hogwash. Like, seriously. I'd like to see some of his sources that aren't "I took a bunch of supplements and I dunno but now I'm cured". What kind of snake oil is this place??

"If you are having a panic attack, do not seek a safe person or safe place. The seeking will make you feel worse. All you have to do is sit and do nothing and allow the chemicals to pass through you and metabolize. It can go away in a matter of minutes if you just sit and relax, and watch it flow by you. The symptoms are caused by passing chemicals but they will only pass if you let them. Ride it out. Let it pass. It only takes a few minutes."

Ha. That is not cured- that is learned helplessness. If you tie a terrified dog up next to the thing it is terrified of, then sure, eventually it will stop screaming and trying to get away. But that is not teaching the dog how to deal with the situation, or that the situation is not dangerous. That just teaches that the learner has no effect on the environment. That is right dangerous, dudes. Flooding is no way to train an animal, and if we would not train an animal that way, why the heck would we use the method on people.

If that is the caliber of help offered here by owners-moderators-whatever-he-is, I am better off elsewhere- where medically proven methodologies are encouraged, not pooh-poohed. If someone could point me to the delete account button, I would be obliged.

This is funny! That is why you are not better and I am. Ask anyone who is free anxiety that once had it, they didn't get better by following the voices in their heads. The change in behavior IS the cure! Seeking a safe space and safe person IS the disease! You are retraining your brain. After you do this for a few months your brain gets used to the idea that you don't need to rush to your safe space. It is actually a training process. Actually, doing this a few time you will notice benefit. You know how you get over the fear of flying? BY FLYING a lot and working through the anxiety while on the plane. Go ahead, live in denial for all I care.

[PanicCured]

Seems she was scared off by somebody trying to help...

Hopefully she went to somewhere where "medically proven methodologies are encouraged" AKA your local doctors office.

Ah yes let's see, how many people's anxiety were cured by doctors? I think their numbers are up from 0 last year to 0 this year! Great job their doing. Look at all these wonderful people here who were totally cured of their panic disorder by taking pills. Yes, all those proven methods maybe aren't so proven after all. But don't worry, climate change is the real cause of anxiety. Or is it Global Warming, wait what happened to that hole in the ozone layer that was going to cause mass extinction, or what about saving the rainforests? I thought cutting down trees in Brazil for McDonalds hamburgers was the cause of the global destruction.

[jessed03]

This is funny! That is why you are not better and I am. Ask anyone who is free anxiety that once had it, they didn't get better by following the voices in their heads. The change in behavior IS the cure! Seeking a safe space and safe person IS the disease! You are retraining your brain. After you do this for a few months your brain gets used to the idea that you don't need to rush to your safe space. It is actually a training process. Actually, doing this a few time you will notice benefit. You know how you get over the fear of flying? BY FLYING a lot and working through the anxiety while on the plane. Go ahead, live in denial for all I care.

Still making those far out presumptions, I see. Some things never change.

The Linden Method is only one method of inducing deep behavioural change. And it's only mildly effective. Most of your thoughts and actions arise from subconscious beliefs. Linden's assuming those will correct automatically if you just "fake it till you make it"... Research has shown that isn't a reliable way of treating anxiety. Which is probably why despite 25 years in business and "thousands of cures" he's never managed to provide reliable evidence his theory works. (He makes you believe he has, though, by using self-funded studies).

I'm not going to tell you that better posture, breathing, exercise and zest for life are bad for anxiety. They're not. But anybody who says there's one way to cure anxiety and theirs is it is a snakeoil salesman.

[RossySoonDone]

You say that sitting up straight and forcing yourself to go to class everyday didn't quite cut it. You make it sound like a chore, the fundamental path to healing in the linden method is to find something you're passionate about and commit to it 100%, this clearly shouldn't feel like a chore once you're on the right path. Sitting up straight in a chair is just 1% of the method and going to class everyday is something you HAVE to do, just like shopping or eating. You have to engross yourself in mind stimulating activity and even if this takes you 1 year before you get on the right track, at least you're making progress! Don't even see it as the Linden Method, make it your mission to find a purpose and stick with it and everything else will become obsolete in time.

You say trauma and unhealthy beliefs. Please explain to me how some of the most traumatised human beings to ever step foot on the earth came back from World War 2, nervous down to every cell in their bodies and unable to even walk straight because of the amount of REAL emotional trauma sustained, still managed to 100% cure themselves from anxiety, PTSD or whatever you wish to call it. Watch this short film and maybe you will find less pity in your current situation of "trauma" and "unhealthy beliefs". Skip to 24:55 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Essentially, the ex-soldiers find therapy and relief in engrossing themselves in mechanics, hobby-horse making, gymnastics, team sports like baseball, painting - THEY'RE FINDING A PASSION AND STICKING TO IT. And if you wish to see how they start of, watch the start of the documentary.

Search on youtube - Let There Be Light - 1946 (Restored Image and Sound)
"The final entry in a trilogy of films produced for the U.S. government by John Huston. This documentary film follows 75 U.S. soldiers who have sustained debilitating emotional trauma and depression. A series of scenes chronicle their entry into a psychiatric hospital, their treatment and eventual recovery."


Whatever unhealthy beliefs you have currently, none of them hold more weight then your attitude towards complete recovery. At this rate you will continue to live in a perpetual state of anxiety, posting on this forum and adding to your tally of 7000 posts. I am not a paid mouthpiece, I am someone who has spent pretty much all their life anxious and in the past 3 years SEVERELY anxious (or traumatised as you describe it), but I know for a fact I will be cured because I am taking the necessary steps towards the recovery and I feel better every day. You can too if you stop feeling sorry for yourself and stop blaming your "traumatised" circumstances as a reason to not find recovery, the first stop is believing you will be cured.

Oh, and also maybe stop spending so much time on this forum. I think in the 7000 posts you've made you're pretty much well informed on what works/doesn't work and maybe now your realise that there isn't a miracle cure, diet, pill or exercise routine to recovery. They will help recovery yes, but ultimately, its up to you to do the damn ground work if you wish to be cured. Good luck I really hope this will act as your wakeup call.

[PanicCured]

Still making those far out presumptions, I see. Some things never change.

The Linden Method is only one method of inducing deep behavioural change. And it's only mildly effective. Most of your thoughts and actions arise from subconscious beliefs. Linden's assuming those will correct automatically if you just "fake it till you make it"... Research has shown that isn't a reliable way of treating anxiety. Which is probably why despite 25 years in business and "thousands of cures" he's never managed to provide reliable evidence his theory works. (He makes you believe he has, though, by using self-funded studies).

I'm not going to tell you that better posture, breathing, exercise and zest for life are bad for anxiety. They're not. But anybody who says there's one way to cure anxiety and theirs is it is a snakeoil salesman.

You keep going on about this Linden Method tirade. I am not Charles Linden nor do I agree with everything he says. My presumptions are correct! The reason I and many others are better and that poster is not, is directly displayed in her post.

[jessed03]

You say that sitting up straight and forcing yourself to go to class everyday didn't quite cut it. You make it sound like a chore, the fundamental path to healing in the linden method is to find something you're passionate about and commit to it 100%, this clearly shouldn't feel like a chore once you're on the right path. Sitting up straight in a chair is just 1% of the method and going to class everyday is something you HAVE to do, just like shopping or eating. You have to engross yourself in mind stimulating activity and even if this takes you 1 year before you get on the right track, at least you're making progress! Don't even see it as the Linden Method, make it your mission to find a purpose and stick with it and everything else will become obsolete in time.

You say trauma and unhealthy beliefs. Please explain to me how some of the most traumatised human beings to ever step foot on the earth came back from World War 2, nervous down to every cell in their bodies and unable to even walk straight because of the amount of REAL emotional trauma sustained, still managed to 100% cure themselves from anxiety, PTSD or whatever you wish to call it. Watch this short film and maybe you will find less pity in your current situation of "trauma" and "unhealthy beliefs". Skip to 24:55 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Essentially, the ex-soldiers find therapy and relief in engrossing themselves in mechanics, hobby-horse making, gymnastics, team sports like baseball, painting - THEY'RE FINDING A PASSION AND STICKING TO IT. And if you wish to see how they start of, watch the start of the documentary.

Search on youtube - Let There Be Light - 1946 (Restored Image and Sound)
"The final entry in a trilogy of films produced for the U.S. government by John Huston. This documentary film follows 75 U.S. soldiers who have sustained debilitating emotional trauma and depression. A series of scenes chronicle their entry into a psychiatric hospital, their treatment and eventual recovery."


Whatever unhealthy beliefs you have currently, none of them hold more weight then your attitude towards complete recovery. At this rate you will continue to live in a perpetual state of anxiety, posting on this forum and adding to your tally of 7000 posts. I am not a paid mouthpiece, I am someone who has spent pretty much all their life anxious and in the past 3 years SEVERELY anxious (or traumatised as you describe it), but I know for a fact I will be cured because I am taking the necessary steps towards the recovery and I feel better every day. You can too if you stop feeling sorry for yourself and stop blaming your "traumatised" circumstances as a reason to not find recovery, the first stop is believing you will be cured.

Oh, and also maybe stop spending so much time on this forum. I think in the 7000 posts you've made you're pretty much well informed on what works/doesn't work and maybe now your realise that there isn't a miracle cure, diet, pill or exercise routine to recovery. They will help recovery yes, but ultimately, its up to you to do the damn ground work if you wish to be cured. Good luck I really hope this will act as your wakeup call.

Well, I don't really suffer from anxiety any more. I just come here out of habit, like PanicCured. Extensive CBT and delving into my past to deal with repressed traumas has left me in a pretty good place. Medication helped a lot, too.

I know I'd never have gotten better relying on the Linden Method alone. Hell, for two years I believed fully it was the holy grail. But as I said earlier, Linden's methodology is fairly simplistic. "Fake it til you make it" sometimes works, but it's an unreliable way of changing the brain.

A book that is a million times better (and a million times cheaper) is the Anxiety and Phobia Workbook. It discusses everything Linden discusses (posture, purpose, meditation), but also includes therapies with actual evidence behind them, like CBT and medication. If you're one of the many across the internet disillusioned with the Linden Method after trying it, give that book a go. Unlike Linden, the author hasn't been ripped about by the Advertising Standards Agency for gross fabrications, either.

Thanks for writing a post with the intention of helping, though.

[PanicCured]

Well, I don't really suffer from anxiety any more. I just come here out of habit, like PanicCured. Extensive CBT and delving into my past to deal with repressed traumas has left me in a pretty good place. Medication helped a lot, too.

I know I'd never have gotten better relying on the Linden Method alone. Hell, for two years I believed fully it was the holy grail. But as I said earlier, Linden's methodology is fairly simplistic. "Fake it til you make it" sometimes works, but it's an unreliable way of changing the brain.

A book that is a million times better (and a million times cheaper) is the Anxiety and Phobia Workbook. It discusses everything Linden discusses (posture, purpose, meditation), but also includes therapies with actual evidence behind them, like CBT and medication. If you're one of the many across the internet disillusioned with the Linden Method after trying it, give that book a go. Unlike Linden, the author hasn't been ripped about by the Advertising Standards Agency for gross fabrications, either.

Thanks for writing a post with the intention of helping, though.

Why do you keep bringing up the Linden Method? I actually got in an argument with him once. He told me he wouldn't help me unless I proved I bought his program. Then I tore him a new one and his wife tells me what a horrible person I was for saying such terrible things about such a wonderful man! But he addresses some key stuff like piercing thought he illusion of safe spaces and safe people.

My main strategies are basically CBT. The same stuff that helped you. I never did officially CBT, but I did my own behavior retraining stuff.

You guys over complicate everything. It's all really simple!