hi. I just tested my d levels and came out at 35 nl . Is this sufficient as I have been depressed for two months along with obsessive intrusive thoughts. I am 5 months pregnant and am sure I have anatal depression and do not want to have postpartum
Forgot to add that one day I just had extreme anxiety a night couldn't sleep and I have no appetite and am depressed. I use to eat all the time. Some nights I only get two hours sleep. And I have obsessive thoughts. I do not want to go on antidepressants. I am a mom of 3 and about to have a fourth one. I just want my old confident happy self back. I suspected Vitamin D because after discussing this with my kids pediatrition( since my Obgyn doesn't care to listen) she told me to up my dose of vitamin d. So after this and reading your advise on this forum I went to a lab on my own and got tested.
Hey sickandtired789,
Although 35 ng/ml (105 nmol/lit) doesn't qualify as being deficient, most doctors with expertise in vitamin D would regard it as being too low. Because I'm unaware of your balance of unprotected exposure to sunlight and supplementation of vitamin D3, or your skin type*, I'm unable to make any appropriate suggestions, but I note that Dr. Mercola recommends 5,000 IU daily for pregnant women (who presumedly aren't getting much, if any UVB exposure above the minimum threshold intensity required).
My previous post on depression may be viewed at http://anxietyforum.net/forum/showth...510#post216510 with info on post natal / post partum depression at http://your-mental-health.weebly.com/3.html
The following post contains information about natural health:
Boosting your immune system by optimising vitamin D levels will reduce the amount and severity of diseases, infections, speed recovery from those you can't manage to avoid, and produce a better outcome in the vast majority of cases. See http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Immunity & http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Vitamin+...0%93+Dec+2014+
View my comprehensive previous answer about vitamin D at https://au.answers.yahoo.com/questio...6070917AAfoGCl If supplementing, (the non preferred method, according to www.vitaminDcouncil.org ) use only vitamin D3. Also view http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about...my-body-needs/ & www.sawyer.com/understanding-uva-uvb/ & http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...l-sulfate.aspx Consider the UV meter shown in vitaminDcouncil.org at Sunfriend.com
Maintaining optimal levels of vitamin D (59% of Americans have levels that are depleted, or deficient; 95% for those with greater melanin pigmentation) will better enable your body to function well.
The govt. RDI of 600 IU daily is long outdated, and based on misinformation, according to http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar..._rid=946767914 and Dr. John Cannell, at vitaminDcouncil.org, and Dr. Weil, at drweil.com, Dr. Ben Kim, at drbenkim.com, Dr. Axe, at draxe.com, Dr. Gominak, a neurologist at drgominak.com and Dr. Mercola, at mercola.com all agree that an RDI of 5000 IU daily is not excessive, although higher levels may be required as people age, and / or put on weight. My doctor, on the basis of several peer reviewed studies, also agrees that an RDI of 5000 IU daily is not excessive, and it is virtually impossible to get the required amount from dietary sources, without the risk of toxicity.
The NOAEL (No Observed Adverse Effect Level) specified by the Institute of Medicine is 10,000 IU/day. Around 1 person in 300 is allergic to it, so start out with only 1,000 IU on the first day, if supplementing.
Dr. Gominak now recommends optimising vitamin D levels in the range 60 ng/ml to 80 ng/ml, and Dr. Mercola recommended 60 ng/ml or 150 nmol/litre, which is now my target level.
Vitamin D is not a true vitamin, but a hormonal substrate that is vitally important for the activation of almost 3,000 genes in the body. Its main cofactors are: zinc, magnesium, (see http://www.naturalnews.com/046401_ma...bsorption.html ) vitamin K2, and boron.
You could enhance your microbiome (mainly the beneficial bacteria in your digestive tract, which produce a large proportion of your neurotransmitters, and some vitamins) by regular consumption of fermented foods, such as sauerkraut, tofu, natto, and take a probiotic, preferably a yogurt containing Shirota, or one with an enteric coating; Google supplies, or mercola.com have some. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...onnection.aspx refers.
If you want to minimise your chances of becoming infected, or having a recurrence of existing ones, you can make your body an inhospitable environment for the microbes causing them to reproduce in; see http://alternative-health.weebly.com...l-product.html
Adopt a diet with minimal sugars and / or highly processed grain products, with more non starchy vegetables, protein, nuts, some complex carbohydrates, such as legumes, (beans, peas, lentils and chickpeas) and brown rice, some sourdough rye bread or seed and nutloaf, and 2, or 3 pieces of fruit, as well as probiotic yoghurt; see http://www.google.com/search?q=merco...82.dGRp4lhiUH0
Xylitol, from health food, or vitamin stores, or stevia, (from supermarkets) are completely natural replacements for sugar, and are suitable for diabetics. Avoid artificial sweeteners like aspartame; check out http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...93.3Ce1jolQ7Mg
You could begin optimising vitamin D levels with 50,000 IU daily, for a week, then 10,000 IU or more daily, once the test results have come through, until at the desired level. It takes several weeks for the levels to stabilise. Test again after 8 weeks, then at least twice yearly, until confident of being in the required range, but still test annually.
50,000 IU capsules are available; Dr. Cannell at vitaminDcouncil.org recommends biotechpharmacal.com or you can use Amazon.com.
It will take several weeks for your vitamin D levels to rise significantly, then stabilise. Sensible sunlight exposure, or UVB lamps are preferable to supplements, although they may not be an option in many cases. Unless you know that you have sufficient levels of it's main cofactors; zinc, boron, magnesium, and vitamin K2, it may be wise to also take a high quality multivitamin / mineral supplement daily, online at xtend-life.com (male and female versions) or a high quality one such as Suisse, from pharmacies, supermarkets or vitamin stores would suffice.
VITAMIN D DOSE RECOMMENDATIONS
AGE DOSAGE
Below 5: 35 units per pound per day
Age 5 - 10: 2500 units
Adults: 5000 units
Pregnant Women: 5000
WARNING:
There is no way to know if the above recommendations are correct. The ONLY way to know is to test your blood. You might need 4-5 times the amount recommended above. Ideally your blood level of 25 OH D should be 60ng/ml.
Note that most doctors would regard lower levels of vitamin D as being acceptable than those recommended by Dr. John Cannell of the vitamin D council, or Professor Michael Holick, a former member, and an expert in vitamin D.
Read: "Why are doctors reluctant to accept vitamin D", at:
http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Why+are+...cept+vitamin+D and in particular:
"Would you be opposed to my getting more vitamin D", at:
http://www.vitamindwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page_id=3162
An excellent one page summary about vitamin D may be found at http://www.drfranklipman.com/vitamin-d-faq/ but it lacks info on its cofactors, zinc, boron, vitamin K2, and magnesium. If supplementing, (the non preferred method, according to www.vitaminDcouncil.org ) use only vitamin D3.
My target range is now 60 ng/ml (150 nmol/lit) to 70 ng/ml (175 nmol/lit) as recommended by Drs. Gominak and Mercola. To ensure sufficient cofactors (magnesium, boron, vitamin K2, and zinc; most people get enough calcium) I also take a multivitamin, mineral, amino acids, ubiquinol, etc. supplement called Total Balance, Men's version, from xtend-life.com, although a high quality one like Suisse, would suffice, from pharmacies, or supermarkets.
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Vitamin D relevant info:
* http://nadir.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt/..._quartMED.html http://zardoz.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt..._quartMED.html SUNLIGHT EXPOSURE VITAMIN D3 - Dr. J. Cannell http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/ HOME TEST KITS http://www.zrtlab.com/vitamindcouncil/ VITAMIN D3 - Dr. M.Holick http://www.vitamindhealth.org/ http://blog.nutritiondata.com/ndblog...html?mbid=ndnl Dr. J. Mercola http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-nutrient.aspx http://www.mercola.com/article/vitamin-d-resources.htm http://sunlightandvitamind.com/ http://www.krispin.com/ www.grassrootshealth.net/daction offer cost price postal 25(OH)D testing ($40) http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...minprimer.html ~~~ http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/f...-juices/1846/2 VITAMINS http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...n-k2.html#fig4 http://chetday.com/naturalvitamin.htm
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From: http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Handout+...-+Gominak+2012 by neurologist Dr. Sascha Gominak:
"If you have a neurologic problem that is severe enough to see a neurologist, you probably do not heal your body in sleep as perfectly as you once did. Most of us who have headaches, tremor, balance difficulties, vertigo, burning in the feet, depression, body pain, or memory loss have abnormal sleep and, surprisingly, fixing the sleep can fix the neurologic problem. From 2005-2009 I performed sleep studies on most of my patients and used medications or sleep masks to try to help their sleep. In 2009 I accidentally discovered that most of my patients had abnormal sleep because they were vitamin D deficient".
You may wish to read it in full.
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Nearly everyone has negative thoughts sometimes. Negative thoughts often occur before negative emotions*. It's important to regularly monitor, and deal with a negative internal monologue (self talk), or mental process, such as disturbing thoughts, images, impulses, etc., by the process of (a): recognising it, and (b): challenging it immediately. Use the "Technique For Re-Programming Negative Thoughts" - When you notice something negative, such as: "I can't do this/ am never going to get over this!" or: "Why am I always so useless/such a loser?" or even an image, emotion, or a memory; recognise that it is being generated from the negative part of your mind.
After identifying and labelling it, visualise a large, red, flashing, "STOP!" sign, and/or possibly a stern faced person wagging an index finger at you in a negative manner, then say to yourself as forcefully as you can, even aloud in a big voice, if alone: "I know this tactic: GO AWAY FOR A WHILE !!!" You may want to use either: "ruse", "ploy", "game", or "trick". In the case of an image, visualise a large "STOP" sign, or your preferred version.
Some people go so far as to keep a wide rubber band in their pocket, then put it around their wrist, when they catch themselves backsliding, stretch and release it, as a method of reprogramming their mind sooner, but I don't regard it as being strictly necessary. Remember to remove it, afterwards, if you use this method. Try replacing a negative thought with a positive affirmation of your choice, like: "I am a unique individual, with my own set of skills, and good points", or "I may not be perfect, but I'm doing the best I can, right now", or "I choose to be more positive". I prefer: "Focus only on what to do now/next". Recommended reading: Positivity: Groundbreaking Research Reveals How to Embrace the Hidden Strength of Positive Emotions, Overcome Negativity, and Thrive by Barbara Fredrickson, & Negaholics: How to Overcome Negativity and Turn Your Life Around by Chérie Carter-Scott, from your bookstore, or amazon.com
"Even if we have some vague idea that we are not our feelings or our thoughts, when we are experiencing painful feelings or painful thoughts, we believe we have to feel them or think them just because of the fact that they are occurring to us. But painful feelings can be indirectly controlled by physical action, and changing our present thoughts for different thoughts (since feeling occurs as a result of thinking.) Painful thoughts can be directly controlled by choosing replacement thoughts for the ones that are troubling us. Sure, it takes some practice to change a habit. But it can be done. Of course it can't be done if we choose to believe that it can't be done. But, since the choice is ours, why not choose to believe it can be done, and do it?" Read: Change How You Feel by Changing the Way You Think by Dennis Greenberger and Christine Padesky, & Change Your Thinking by Sarah Edelman, & "Feeling Good." The New Mood Therapy. Harper Collins.1999. ( updated sequel to his US bestseller about treating depression & anxiety; very comprehensive), by David D. Burns, M.D. Hypnosis is merely a heightened state of suggestibility, in which you are better able to communicate with your subconscious mind; view http://myfavoriteinterests.com/hypnosis/ about what it is, and isn't. 85% of people are suggestible to some degree; 15% - 20% highly so, and 15% - 20% aren't much at all, so you could either preferably seek professional hypnotherapy, or, if not an option, hypnosisdownloads.com has one about stopping obsessive thoughts.
Check out http://www.wikihow.com/Special:GoogS...ative+thoughts such as: "How to Get Rid of Negative Thoughts: 9 Steps", & "How to Use Switchwords to Clear Negative Thoughts: 5 Steps".
"I cannot always control what goes on outside. But I can always control what goes on inside" - Dr. Wayne Dyer*.
The key is persistence; over time the frequency and power of the negative thoughts will lessen, but will always recur occasionally, which is normal, and healthy.
Some relevant posts on anxiety may be viewed at:
GENERALISED ANXIETY DISORDER: http://anxietyforum.net/forum/showth...989#post223989
HERBAL ANXIOLYTICS: http://anxietyforum.net/forum/showth...415#post225415
NON HERBAL NATURAL (NON PHARMACEUTICAL) ANXIOLTYICS: (5-htp, etc.) http://anxietyforum.net/forum/showth...lease!!!/page2
Google their hazards for pregnant females before considering their use.
Hoping something in the above helps.
Last edited by Nowuccas; 05-22-2016 at 04:14 AM.
Thank you for your swift reply. Well I have been already taking Magnesium and a prenatal multi vitamin so I dunno. Sometimes I think this is all in my head however the physical symptoms make it apparent that something physically speaking is truly off balance. Do you think there is a chance that different people require different amounts of vitamin D. and since I'm pregnant would a range of 35 nl mean some of that is in the babys system and not truly all in mine. By the way I am dark skinned and live in the southeastern states. Wonder if I am deficient in magnesium or calcium.
Oh and has anyone ever heard of magnesium helping obsessive thoughts, depression or any other mental illness?
Vitamin D levels vary seasonally, and are usually lowest in early spring. 59% of Americans have levels that are insufficient; 95% for people with more melanin pigmentation, and may require several times more exposure to sunlight of sufficient intensity if generating it that way. Older or obese people may need up to twice as much. Dr. Mercola advised that in his clinical experience, some people required up to 30,000 IU of vitamin D3 daily. I take 50,000 IU weekly, and my last test showed 175 nmol/lit ( 75 ng/ml ).
If in doubt about calcium, eat sardines with their bones and lemon juice or vinegar at least once weekly.
Magnesium deficiency can cause depression, and/or anxiety. Adequate supplementation often remedies the situation within 2 weeks.
It's your serum blood levels of vitamin D that are tested, but women with optimal levels have a considerably lower rate of autism in their children; Google: "autism; Dr. John Cannell; vitaminDcouncil".
Obsessive, intrusive, or negative thoughts are some of the possible symptoms of depression.
Last edited by Nowuccas; 05-24-2016 at 11:57 PM.
Hi. Do you know if all of these vitamins are safe for a breastfeeding mom (d, chelated magnesium, calcium, k)? I am having post partum anxiety and panic attacks, which I have never had before. The more I read, the more i think it's related to deficenties. Especially since I have been pregnant or breastfeeding for the last 5.5 years. I am having trouble finding an up to date doc and want to feel normal again. I would consider my anxiety to not be terrible it's just strange since I have never experienced it before. I want to be able to fully function. I am also doing acupuncture which seems to be helping. I'll keep looking for a doc. Thanks!
Hi Kjohn:
If you are looking for an up to date doctor in reference to vitamin D3, other vitamins, and minerals, your best
bet would be searching among endocrinologists in your area. Please, do not forget to have your
vitamin D3 (25-OH) blood test done. Besides vitamins, and minerals, please do discuss taking
amino acid complex pills at a moderate dose with your doctor.
Best wishes,
Ali
Hey,
After feeling depressed for 2 years with sleep problems, fatigue, loss of interest in activities, memory issues. I finally decided to do some blood tests. Which showed i have Vitamin D3 deficiency.
My house doctor advised me to take daily Vitamin D3 1200 IU supplement in liquid form. 3 drops each day.
I have been taking them for 1 month now. No big difference yet. But my house doctor told me it can take up to 3 months before restoring my Vitamin D3 levels. My blood tests showed 7. And Vitamin D levels should be 50?
I felt relieved to know the cause for my depression, but now i just have to live with my depressive symtoms for 2 more months before i get better? anything else i can do to speed up the recovery time?
My house doctor wanted to describe antidepressants when she heard about my depression related symptoms. So I asked her to take all tests related to fatigue, sleep problems and basically all the standard depression symptoms.
According to the blood tests, my calcium levels were fine. And the only deficiency was D3.
However, looking back now at my life, I've had several depressive periods. And I must admit that I'm not a natural sunseeker and prefer to sit inside a lot.
So could over 10+ years of depressive moods finally be tied to my Vitamin D deficiency? I hope so. I guess I just have to wait and see and take the supplements.
I remember also having shin pain in my early 20s. I'm 32 now.
So if it will take more than 3 months to restore my low levels of 7. Maybe up to 1 year? should i really go trough all this time feeling this low in mood etc. Or should i take antidepressants on top of this?
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