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Robbed
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| 1970 wrote: | | I agree and disagree with medication, if it helps you calm your anxiety or depression or anything to a level that is that is a lot easier to cope with im all for it, |
I certainly don't think it would be a bad thing to take something that will calm your depression and anxiety to a level that would make it easier to cope with it. But only if such a medication was highly effective, had minimal to no side effects, and could be discontinued with ease. Unfortunately, such a medication does NOT exist. And THAT'S the problem that I have with medications. They are just too risky. FAR too many people get on meds like SSRIs, only to find them to be more damnation than salvation in terms of side effects. FAR too many people just don't get the kinds of results from them that they were promised. And FAR too many people find that discontinuing antidepressants is alot like discontinuing heroin. In other words, we have a LONG ways to go before medication will be anything that I would consider using or consider recommending to other people. |
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I have tried many different anxiety treatments, and spent far too much money. The best that I have found, and the cheapest, are the books and audio programs by Dr. Claire Weekes.
If you want to know more about the programs I have used, and my anxiety in general, check out my blog: nervousillness[dot]wordpress[dot]com |
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tmays
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| 1970 wrote: | I agree and disagree with medication, if it helps you calm your anxiety or depression or anything to a level that is that is a lot easier to cope with im all for it,
but at the end of the day its not going to change your thought patterns of how you deal with things
So my point of view, yes meds are good if they work to take the edge off things in the start but arent a magic cure and wont get rid of anxiety ,
cbt or something similar is what is going to change the way we think and help us break the cycle of things |
Really well put and solid advice!  |
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Beachgirl
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| 1970 wrote: | I agree and disagree with medication, if it helps you calm your anxiety or depression or anything to a level that is that is a lot easier to cope with im all for it,
but at the end of the day its not going to change your thought patterns of how you deal with things
So my point of view, yes meds are good if they work to take the edge off things in the start but arent a magic cure and wont get rid of anxiety ,
cbt or something similar is what is going to change the way we think and help us break the cycle of things |
I am in total agreement! My only problem with meds is that they are usually prescribed in the absence of treatment like CBT and even when CBT is prescribed with them human nature sets in when they feel better on the meds and they don't bother with the CBT because they already feel better. No easy answers unfortunately  |
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Beachgirl
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| Robbed wrote: | | 1970 wrote: | | I agree and disagree with medication, if it helps you calm your anxiety or depression or anything to a level that is that is a lot easier to cope with im all for it, |
I certainly don't think it would be a bad thing to take something that will calm your depression and anxiety to a level that would make it easier to cope with it. But only if such a medication was highly effective, had minimal to no side effects, and could be discontinued with ease. Unfortunately, such a medication does NOT exist. And THAT'S the problem that I have with medications. They are just too risky. FAR too many people get on meds like SSRIs, only to find them to be more damnation than salvation in terms of side effects. FAR too many people just don't get the kinds of results from them that they were promised. And FAR too many people find that discontinuing antidepressants is alot like discontinuing heroin. In other words, we have a LONG ways to go before medication will be anything that I would consider using or consider recommending to other people. |
All valid points as usual Robbed |
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tmays
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| Beachgirl wrote: | | 1970 wrote: | I agree and disagree with medication, if it helps you calm your anxiety or depression or anything to a level that is that is a lot easier to cope with im all for it,
but at the end of the day its not going to change your thought patterns of how you deal with things
So my point of view, yes meds are good if they work to take the edge off things in the start but arent a magic cure and wont get rid of anxiety ,
cbt or something similar is what is going to change the way we think and help us break the cycle of things |
I am in total agreement! My only problem with meds is that they are usually prescribed in the absence of treatment like CBT and even when CBT is prescribed with them human nature sets in when they feel better on the meds and they don't bother with the CBT because they already feel better. No easy answers unfortunately |
Here, here. I agree about the lack of tools given with meds is a real problem! |
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squirt
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| tmays wrote: | | Beachgirl wrote: | | 1970 wrote: | I agree and disagree with medication, if it helps you calm your anxiety or depression or anything to a level that is that is a lot easier to cope with im all for it,
but at the end of the day its not going to change your thought patterns of how you deal with things
So my point of view, yes meds are good if they work to take the edge off things in the start but arent a magic cure and wont get rid of anxiety ,
cbt or something similar is what is going to change the way we think and help us break the cycle of things |
I am in total agreement! My only problem with meds is that they are usually prescribed in the absence of treatment like CBT and even when CBT is prescribed with them human nature sets in when they feel better on the meds and they don't bother with the CBT because they already feel better. No easy answers unfortunately |
Here, here. I agree about the lack of tools given with meds is a real problem! |
Sadly this is so true  |
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Beachgirl
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| Glad everyone agrees but what can we do to get them to solve this problem? |
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anxietyguy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: hi there |
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I'd like to add eft to the list
if you have general anxiety disorder and you can track down the core emotional wound behind it you can tap on it and diffuse the emotion
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: cbt |
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I think cbt can work quickly but if you hav ean emotional trauma or wound thats driving your anxiety i dont think it will help
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tmays
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: cbt |
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| anxietyguy wrote: | | I think cbt can work quickly but if you hav ean emotional trauma or wound thats driving your anxiety i dont think it will help |
I beg to differ based on my understanding of anxiety and it's causes. The trauma or wound is not what causes the anxiety but it does cause a change in your thinking and processing which leads to the anxiety. Once dealt with and countered in cbt the anxiety will likely diminish. Almost all our thoughts that cause anxiety come from some sort of emotionally traumatizing event. That's why cbt is so effective as it teaches you how to cope regardless of the initial cause and the new ways of thinking immunize you to future bouts of anxiety. |
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| Well said Tmays that's my understanding and experience as well. I think there's a lot of misinformation out there about what CBT is that causes people to have misguided opinions on it. I think the pharm industry may even perpetuate some of the myths since CBT has caused them to lose a lot of former users of their meds. |
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squirt
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: cbt |
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| tmays wrote: | | anxietyguy wrote: | | I think cbt can work quickly but if you hav ean emotional trauma or wound thats driving your anxiety i dont think it will help |
I beg to differ based on my understanding of anxiety and it's causes. The trauma or wound is not what causes the anxiety but it does cause a change in your thinking and processing which leads to the anxiety. Once dealt with and countered in cbt the anxiety will likely diminish. Almost all our thoughts that cause anxiety come from some sort of emotionally traumatizing event. That's why cbt is so effective as it teaches you how to cope regardless of the initial cause and the new ways of thinking immunize you to future bouts of anxiety. |
Really well put Tmays. This is exactly right  |
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Anthony DiClementi
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| Anyone tried "Attacking Anxiety and Depression" program? |
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Beachgirl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: cbt |
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| tmays wrote: | | anxietyguy wrote: | | I think cbt can work quickly but if you hav ean emotional trauma or wound thats driving your anxiety i dont think it will help |
I beg to differ based on my understanding of anxiety and it's causes. The trauma or wound is not what causes the anxiety but it does cause a change in your thinking and processing which leads to the anxiety. Once dealt with and countered in cbt the anxiety will likely diminish. Almost all our thoughts that cause anxiety come from some sort of emotionally traumatizing event. That's why cbt is so effective as it teaches you how to cope regardless of the initial cause and the new ways of thinking immunize you to future bouts of anxiety. |
I agree and you gave a great explanation |
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