Prescription Thugs

[Ponder]

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKU36Jm9xaU)
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The U.S. is 5 % of the world's population, but consumes 75 % of the prescription drugs


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Prescription Thugs - The Doco:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKU36Jm9xaU

[Kirk]

A Mayo Clinic study said that 70% of Americans are on a prescription drug and the USA leads the world
in illegal drug use according to another study.

[Ponder]

The hypocrisy is more to be found in the pharmaceutical/corporations/prescriptions side of things rather than the all that atypical buck passing,finger pointing and stigmatizing commonly attributed to the illegalities. There are as many (if not more) blue collard/well to do educated hardcore pharmaceutical/prescription addicts as there are hill billy junkies. It's all in the above documentary. Moreover it hits on how legal prescription drugs are now commonly used as illegal substances pointing more towards just how addictive, and reliance based the companies have made their drugs to be.

No mater how you change the dose,branding and or naming ... one will remain hooked and end up on more to combat the cause created from the first dose they ever took.

[Niclkkinoo]

Is it really hypocrisy or are more people in need able to access them drugs?

[Ponder]

I would question the need as today's mental health issues are most certainly over sowed/conditioned. That being the need created to meet corporate aims. Therein lay the hypocrisy.

[Kirk]

I believe the final responsibility resides with the physician. Some physicians over prescribe medications.
Drug reps push their products, many of whom are attractive young women. What man would not want to
deal with an attractive young woman?

[Dahila]

It's money simple as that. Huge cooperations make billions, docs make millions, and we spend all we have on miracle meds. Look guys at life saving EPI PEN. It explain all.
For every problem there is a medication, so let's get it. It help to live shorter better life

[Kirk]

Some drugs of course are necessary and for the patients well being. Many prescription drugs help millions of people.
GI drugs such as Prilosec have helped me since I have a Hiatal Hernia and some reflux from that. Some people have
hereditary blood pressure issues and the drugs help them. People who have had heart issues, may need medication
to help them. So, drugs are necessary and do good in the right situation. Of course people abuse painkillers, etc., which
of course is not good.

[Kirk]

Everyone needs to make a profit doing business. The big discussion arises as to how much. Some corporate executives
compensation is massive. Who is to say they are not worth it? Not me. Many work very hard and are under a lot of pressure.
Some would say they deserve their pay. Corporations want to improve shareholder value. I personally have my own problems
to deal with and their compensation is not number one on my bucket list.

[Kirk]

One of my old bosses who broke off from the CPA firm I used to work for a while ago started his own firm around 12
years ago. He now has 14 people working for him. He works hard. He makes around a million dollars a year. He goes on
4-5 vacations a year. He drives a nice car, has a nice house and a nice family. More power to him that he can make a
profit. You can't remove the profit motive from a business as the owner would lose incentive and he takes all of the
risk. Even non-profit organizations need to make a profit to survive and service the needs of their clients. Many non-profit organization employees and
executives are also compensated very well.

[Kirk]

I personally don't begrudge anyone who makes a profit. I say more power to them. I tell my clients if you pay or owe taxes that is
good as that means you are making money.

[Kirk]

There is an old saying that I abide by in my life and that is, never count anyone elses money.

[Ponder]

Yep ... it surely is Big Business and that's exactly the point this documentary makes. The good news is that YES, we can remove the profit motive by no longer participating in created need. Doctors are well "paid" by drug companies to "promote their drugs" which in turn are designed to keep people sick. Lipitor is one of many well known drugs that's both endorsed "like so" and leads to more complications that requires more drugs.

We live in a culture that blindly gives power to the white coat. (complacent attitudes on both sides of the fence / addicted patients lining up for more meds) If you really want to get better, then try taking responsibility for yourself. If you leave it with the doctor you will surely remain sick whilst they in turn go on their 4-5 vacations a year , drive their fancy cars, and buy another house. All we need do to turn the tables, is take responsibility for ourselves and do all we can to avoid seeing likewise doctors.

The only one you can trust, is yourself. You have the power ... be careful just how much you give, to someone in a white coat.

[gypsylee]

We live in a culture that blindly gives power to the white coat. (complacent attitudes on both sides of the fence / addicted patients lining up for more meds) If you really want to get better, then try taking responsibility for yourself. If you leave it with the doctor you will surely remain sick whilst they in turn go on their 4-5 vacations a year , drive their fancy cars, and buy another house. All we need do to turn the tables, is take responsibility for ourselves and do all we can to avoid seeing likewise doctors.

The only one you can trust, is yourself. You have the power ... be careful just how much you give, to someone in a white coat.

Totally agree Ponder and I've even thought how doctors are a bit like priests these days. Well I've watched them first hand fail to diagnose my mum who ended up in a wheelchair needing a double hip replacement. Hips are NOT rocket science but it took months and numerous doctors, specialists and hospitalisation. She endured a spinal tap in the first hospital visit as well as countless other useless tests while she was in severe pain. An x-ray finally showed her hips were basically bone-on-bone and the hip replacement has got her pretty much back to normal.

My GP (who was one of the doctors she saw) was really embarrassed and apologetic when I told him what the problem had been. He's at least humble enough to admit that he should have thought of that. I reassured him that even 3 specialists didn't think of it. In the early stages I actually mentioned a family friend who had had her hips replaced but I put too much faith in the doctors when I could have asked them for mum's hips to be x-rayed.

The moral of this story is that doctors are definitely not people to put blind faith in. It's pretty scary but it can be liberating. Don't be afraid to question doctors and get other opinions, and trust yourself and your intuition.

Cheers,
Gypsy x

[Kirk]

I have found over the years that some physicians are more thorough and nicer than others. I remember I had to go to a Urologist for a few visits because I had an issue that turned
out to be nothing. I remember he would not even look at me when he was talking to me, but just looked at the computer screen. What a jerk.

[Kirk]

That is why I pay the extra money to have a concierge physician. I can text, call or email him anytime and he gets back to me pretty quickly.
On top of that, he has the best bedside manner and is very thorough. My wife, my daughter and myself, have been seeing him for a long time,
even before he became a concierge physician and it was the best decision I could have made.

[Ponder]

$$$$$$$$ - it's always about the money for some. Tis the defining factor on where one sits on the socio economic scale. (no wonder there are more people hitting up with pills) Some people just can't stop dropping names, with associated labels to categorize where it is that they think they fit on such a bull shit list. "Oh but my physician told me the other day...." "Oh but we have the very best of care due to the insurance we pay ......" "Oh come on now, I studied in that field for bla bla & I have friends in la la ... " You can't be serious, I once had a friend from the scientific community that told me rar rar rar ...."

No one really gives two *&#@s how much you spend, who you know or what so and so said. How much someone pays for whatever care and what bed side manner you receive -> whilst part and parcel of the affliction that grips this rock and the motivating factor that sees many fall short of life saving intervention ... such ignorance to the bigger picture is what facilitates the pain and suffering regardless of all that crap we tell ourselves and or receive!

Let's not lose sight of what prescriptions thugs really are and or what the message is in said documentary. It's not just about the doctors - it's much more than just about those puppets. It matters little where one sits on the scales, it even matters little how much money you think you have. Everyone that subscribes to the medical system for some kind of relief is subject to it's needle of addiction in one form or another.

That's it - pure and simple.

[Ponder]

If your medications are working and you find yourself a much improved and balanced individual on them ... then that's great! Stay on them. However if you have been taking your meds for quite some time and feel like your life force has been sucked out of you, wake up every morning in a haze ... If you struggle to get out of bed, struggle eat a healthy diet, struggle find purpose - come a full circle - continually upping your dose and or switching to other meds - then let me tell you, there is a simply solution to break the chemical chains:

STOP seeing all those doctors that promote meds! Just like addicts need to cut ties with family and friends, leave old haunts and move house. So too we must cut ties with those doctors who have been facilitating our dependence on pills!

Just as with today's "sick culture" being conditioned to believe that we must see a doctor at the first sign of stress - we are also brainwashed to think we need their permission to stop being treated. How sad is that? That really is our mentality ... the ingrained mentality of the mentally ill. Control Factor 101. "Hold their hands long enough ... and they just automatically keep coming back!"

Are you sick of having your hand held like so? Perhaps your starting to feel a pinch where that hold is more like a grip? If so - GOOD! Your about ready to give up all that shit! Don't be put off by those pro meds that are quick to tell you, that you MUST go back to your doctor to come off your meds. Sure - it can be dangerous ... Meds are toxic point blank!!! In fact, question in your mind how easy it was for them to give you such a toxic substance with barley a word on just how much it could fuck you up, and then question how passionate they quickly become when you wish to come off??? That alone should raise an alarm to just how much you've become dependent in a system designed to keep you hooked. I'm betting you take more than one type of pill? If so - then your well and truly hooked.

The good news is ... you don't need your doctors permission to come off your meds. Ditch any doctor that resists your notion. If the research indicates that your specific med/med'S and the amount of time you've been on it requires extreme caution to come off ... then absolutely go see a "professional" BUT one that will support you wanting to come off your meds! There are many other things to consider, as knowing what to expect - setting up a new plan that incorporates a new coping strategies.

It the FINDING DESIRE that I am wanting to instill on those of you that find yourselves trapped! The problem with our current reliance factor is not so much the promo doctors or even the pharmers themselves (those things outside our control) - but more the state of how we think! Coming to understand that we can make changes for ourselves is the first step towards true healing and above all ... coming off the meds!

Anyone that fights to stay on them - will always remain sick. Just as anyone that fights to stay fit, will always remain sick! It's not how long you live that counts, but the state in which you live. Considering the latter, meds have their place, but all to often miss their mark; especially in the mental health category.

Medications are primarily meant to be aids in a patients recovery. Your suppose to want to get better to a point where you no longer need them. Once you lose site of that - you quickly become hooked. A life time subscriber to an industry that's happy to have you. As for all that talk on "need"for balance - Again ... the medicine creates space in which your suppose to find other "elements" to find such balance. Only you can do that!

You have the power and need no white coat's permission ... (unless your involuntary being medicated [ITO] in which case PM and I'll give you additional support) - It's time to take back control for ourselves and stop depending on doctors/case managers for every little scratch and itch.

That nature of addiction - is to give up and take the easy way out. If you don't start making your own prescriptions - the white coats will!

At then end of the day, the responsibility and power ... resides with us.

[Kirk]

Its not about the money, but the quality of the service received! It reminds me of a woman I know here in Baltimore. She claims all studies are wrong, like the Mayo Clinic,
she claims physicians are wrong, all drugs are bad, etc. Too bad for her as she is living in a dream world and not reality.

[Kirk]

By the way, who made you the Wyatt Earp of this forum? This an open forum where we are all free to discuss our feelings and thoughts.
Just because you don't agree with them, does not make them wrong. Get with the program.

[Kirk]

The problem here is that you cannot be reasoned with in a logical manner and when that occurs, all bets are off.

[Kirk]

You are now on ignore.

[Ponder]

...This an open forum where we are all free to discuss our feelings and thoughts.
... Get with the program.

Indeed this forum is an open forum. I love that about this forum. I am talking, you are talking, others are talking. N/P http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/word/this-is-right-smiley-emoticon.gif

About time I started talking outside my own thread - especially with yourself. I feel we have made some good ground.

Hmmm "Get with the program" Srry, but I choose to remain a free thinking individual who is not afraid to speak out. After all, that's what open public forums are for. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/word/this-is-right-smiley-emoticon.gif

Lighten up Kirk - you've had free reign for quite some time. We come from different sides of the fence. Rather than derail the topic with trivial prods - please do continue to make your point?

[Ponder]

Hold those thoughts ... time for my walk.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/laughing-hysterically-smiley-emoticon.gif Just kidding - but it is time for my walk.

I've made my point ... if you makes you happy, you can have the last word.

I'll do up a new thread:

"Coming Off Meds" Look forward to seeing you in that. ;)

[Ponder]

PS - thx for the compliment.

[Dahila]

heheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Kirk]

I forgot to mention that Dahila is now also on my ignore list.

[Dahila]

Kirk you would never put anyone on ignore, stop teasing, be a man:)) what did Dahila do? I am happy today so I laugh:)

[gypsylee]

That escalated quickly LOL.

I'm pretty happy today too Dahila! I laugh with you! ;)

[Dahila]

Gypsy it so good to hear that, Every good day, that make us happy is important:) I am happy for you , I am :)