General anxiety disorder or just anxiety?

[Max1991]

Hello, I am new to the forum so don't know where to post this.
I am 25 year old guy and have had anxiety and general fear since a kid, but this took an ugly turn when I hurt my back and had to go through excruciating pain for a couple of years. This turned into depression due to my prolonged illness. Right now I am feeling mostly low, unmotivated, lethargic, frequent palpitation, hot and cold chills. I have a habit of rationalising everything so I am mostly in my own head which is making it difficult to focus on my work. Recently I had a road rage incident where a guy punched me and I just stood there shivering and frozen, the guy was like 5'5 and I am 6'1 and physically much stronger. I avoid getting into fight a but the world is full of assholes who would provoke you. Are these a part of the symptoms or am I just a wuss? I want to overcome these emotions and situations. Please any advice would do. Thanks for listening.

[Faith 2003]

It's just part of the symptoms. Do you take meds for your anxiety? I am new here too. I have heart palps and hot and cold chills. It's part of the anxiety. I'm sure your depressed too. I'm basically homebound. Had OCD since I was 21 and my meds quit working and I'm 45 now. It's miserable living like this. I know how you feel.

[Max1991]

It's just part of the symptoms. Do you take meds for your anxiety? I am new here too. I have heart palps and hot and cold chills. It's part of the anxiety. I'm sure your depressed too. I'm basically homebound. Had OCD since I was 21 and my meds quit working and I'm 45 now. It's miserable living like this. I know how you feel.
I am sorry for your situation I never knew this could last for such a long period of time. Yes I am depressed but for apparently no reason. I haven't taken conventional medication yet but have tried homeopathy and it hasn't worked. I hope to find a routine or some tool to overcome this.

[Nowuccas]

Hey Max,

Because I have no idea of what information or techniques that forum members are aware of, I attempt to provide some on natural treatments.

From: http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Back+Pain

Back Pain

"Did you know?
Back pain is strongly associated with low vitamin D
Back pain has been relieved in 95% of patients after supplementing with vitamin D
Vitamin D treats many types of Chronic Pains
Vitamin D improves bone health, which decreases back problems
(More Back Pain info below)
Magnesium also reduces back pain - by reducing muscle tension and improving bones"

Try pharmacies/supermarkets for the magnesium supplement types at http://www.naturalnews.com/046401_magnesium_dietary_supplements_nutrient_abso rption.html

Much less expensive is magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts).
I use 300 mg daily; taking too much has a laxative effect. Pharmacies, health food or vitamin stores, some supermarkets, or Google supplies.

You can also massage a concentrated solution of magnesium sulfate, into the affected area, because it is absorbed directly through the skin (magnesium chloride is better, but more expensive). If it is too painful there, then massaging it in elsewhere can reduce or avoid unwanted laxative effects from oral ingestion.

Check out https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=back+pain%3B+mercola&gbv=2&oq=back+pain%3B+mercola&gs_l=heirloom-hp.12...4324.14499.0.17792.18.18.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0. msedr...0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..18.0.0.cLYqbpx74L0 and the most highly rated at https://www.google.com.au/search?client=opera&q=back+pain%3B+amazon.com&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

The exercises supplied by Dr. Mercola will build up your back muscles, providing support for the spinal column.
Consider signing up for the regular free Ezine from www.mercola.com, because they are the most visited natural health website in the world. I have learned a lot, and my health and immune system have been greatly helped.

Re vitamin D; sunlight is free; 100,000 IU capsules are available (Google supplies) which you could take one of, every second week, quite safely. 50,000 IU capsules are at Amazon.com. Daily dosing of smaller amounts may well be superior, for those who don't mind multiple capsules.

A good source of vitamin K2 is hard, curd cheese, preferably Edam, Gouda, or Brie.

View my previous post about vitamin D at http://anxietyforum.net/forum/showthread.php?34051-Wobbly-eyesight An excellent one page summary about vitamin D may be found at http://www.drfranklipman.com/vitamin-d-faq/

Note that most doctors would regard lower levels of vitamin D as being acceptable than those recommended by Dr. John Cannell of the vitamin D council, or Professor Michael Holick, a former member, and an expert in vitamin D.

Read: "Why are doctors reluctant to accept vitamin D", at:
http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Why+are+doctors+reluctant+to+accept+vitamin+D and in particular:
"Would you be opposed to my getting more vitamin D", at:
http://www.vitamindwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page_id=3162

My target range is now 60 ng/ml (150 nmol/lit) to 70 ng/ml (175 nmol/lit) as recommended by Drs. Gominak and Mercola. To ensure sufficient cofactors (magnesium, boron, vitamin K2, and zinc; most people get enough calcium) I also take a multivitamin, mineral, amino acids, ubiquinol, etc. supplement called Total Balance, Men's version, from xtend-life.com, although a high quality one like Suisse, would suffice, from pharmacies, or supermarkets.

Recommended reading: "Back in Control: A spine surgeon's roadmap out of chronic pain", by Dr. David Hanscom, from your bookstore, Amazon.com or BarnesAndNoble.com

See http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/11/22/chronic-pain-treatment.aspx?e_cid=20151122Z3_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20151122Z3&et_cid=DM91101&et_rid=1225785323 & http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2015/12/11/back-pain-treatments.aspx?e_cid=20151211Z3_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20151211Z3&et_cid=DM92148&et_rid=1258361698


View my previous posts about GENERALISED ANXIETY DISORDER at http://anxietyforum.net/forum/showthread.php?33964-New-to-the-site-and-looking-for-help&p=223989#post223989 and
DEPRESSION at http://anxietyforum.net/forum/showthread.php?32707-has-this-happend-to-you&p=216510#post216510

You could enhance your microbiome (mainly the beneficial bacteria in your digestive tract, which produce a large proportion of your neurotransmitters, and some vitamins) by regular consumption of fermented foods, such as sauerkraut, tofu, natto, and take a probiotic, preferably a yogurt containing Shirota, or one with an enteric coating; Google supplies, or mercola.com have some. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/20/gut-brain-connection.aspx refers.

Adopt a diet with minimal sugars and / or highly processed grain products, with more non starchy vegetables, protein, nuts, some complex carbohydrates, such as legumes, (beans, peas, lentils and chickpeas) and brown rice, some sourdough rye bread or seed and nutloaf, and 2, or 3 pieces of fruit, as well as probiotic yoghurt; see http://www.google.com/search?q=mercola+probiotic&hl=en&gbv=2&oq=mercola%3B+&gs_l=heirloom-serp.1.5.0l10.600390.608268.0.613200.11.4.0.0.0.0. 1594.2683.5-2j8-1.3.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-serp..8.3.2682.dGRp4lhiUH0

Omega 3 fish or krill oil is recommended for depression, and general health.

Take at least 4, and up to 9 Omega 3 fish oil supplements, (high in E.P.A.) or the recommended dose of a high quality of fish, or krill oil* daily, like Carlsons, or Melrose: (certified free of mercury) it is best if consumed with an antioxidant, such as an orange, or its FRESHLY SQUEEZED juice. If vitamin E is added, it should be certified as being 100% from natural sources, or it may be synthetic: avoid it! Basically, if a vitamin supplement shows dl, which is the acronym for dextro-levo, it contains both isomers, and is therefore synthetic in origin. View: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=dextro-levo%3B+vitamins&btnG=Google+Search

Females may benefit by balancing the DHA, & EPA versions of Omega 3 in fish, or krill* oil with ALA flaxseed oil Omega 3, or at least one heaped tablespoonful of ground flaxseed, daily. Vegetarians: Google: "Omega 3; algae; supplies" and use with flaxseed. *Use the www.mercola.com SEARCHBAR.

From Mercola.com:

"Most people are consuming far too many omega-6 fats compared to omega-3 fats. The ideal ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 fats is 1:1.5 to as high as 1:5, , but the typical Western diet may be between 1:20 and 1:50. Even the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Office of Dietary Supplements states:3

"Most American diets provide more than 10 times as much omega-6 than omega-3 fatty acids. There is general agreement that individuals should consume more omega-3 and less omega-6 fatty acids to promote good health."
To add insult to injury these additional omega-6 are nearly all industrially processed oils and many of them are heated converted a significant percentage of these fats into trans fats, or even worse cyclic aldehydes. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/01/04/how-much-omega-3.aspx?e_cid=20160104Z3_DNL_art_2&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art2&utm_campaign=20160104Z3&et_cid=DM94316&et_rid=1295654781

[cloudy black]

hi Max1991 life is tough enough without mh issues. it is so hard to respond to life. me i am in a disassociated space dont feel anything much these days. too much shite to deal with so just as well i guess in a dysfunctional kinda way. "one to beam up scottie"



http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2014/09/13/low-serotonin-levels-dont-cause-depression/

[Max1991]

Hello Nowuccas,
I suffered from a bulge disc L4-L5 few years back and have tried a bunch of things right from acupuncture to physical manipulation but nothing has made much of a difference. This chronic pain for years took a toll on my head and backed with anxiety I ended up in a bad shape. Thanks for the info, I have been on vitamin d supplements and omega 3 fish oil. I'll try to go by your detailed prescribed dosage and let you know. Thanks :)

[Max1991]

Hello, cloudy black I know you get a hang of things eventually and learn to live with anything. From what I have seen and experienced is that, the more 'shameless' and 'ignorant' you become the more you enjoy life and that means losing on morals and principles you once stood by.

[cloudy black]

Max1991 "learn to live with anything". thats what i call emotionally shutting down. for me i don't want to end up dropping my morals so to speak.. for me that is ... anyway i kinda get what you mean. mh robs you of any meaningful quality of life. life is just a pseudo existence i guess. i feel so darned numb these days ..went out for a walk earlier in the beautiful spring sunshine but i still feel like shite.

[Dahila]

with bulging disks , you just learn how to live. Be careful not to twist the body, especially when lifting. I had this condition (getting worse with the age) for years. It goes away then comes back, YOu are still young and yoga should help you with it, and you could benefit from meditation. Learn how to use muscles, and make the back muscles strong. Max welcome to the forum

[Max1991]

Max1991 "learn to live with anything". thats what i call emotionally shutting down. for me i don't want to end up dropping my morals so to speak.. for me that is ... anyway i kinda get what you mean. mh robs you of any meaningful quality of life. life is just a pseudo existence i guess. i feel so darned numb these days ..went out for a walk earlier in the beautiful spring sunshine but i still feel like shite.

I know what you mean..the quality of life becomes pathetic and you live life just for the sake for it. You need to adapt and survive. I hope things ease out for you and all of us.

[Max1991]

I have tried iyengar yoga but didn't help me much. I think yoga is good only if practised since young age otherwise it's just a temporary relief. Rest I avoid tedious movement and go swimming every weekend. Thanks for the warm welcome!

[Dahila]

Max you are young, yoga is a very healing system, and you can start practicing at age of 60 and still have good results. It is yoga and meditation that strange concept for you? Pop the pill it is much easier

[cloudy black]

I know what you mean..the quality of life becomes pathetic and you live life just for the sake for it. You need to adapt and survive. I hope things ease out for you and all of us.

yes its called existence. but like any good Trekkie would say, "resistance is futile" adapt and join the collective 0 dear i think cabin fever is creeping in.

yes easing out is a good word and thanks