Is loneliness more than a projected image of a silhouetted body with hands in head?

[Ponder]

Can it be more than the thoughts that feed our pain?

I see it as some kind of blanket that gives comfort and clarity. I think it's threatening to our modern way of living, to those that require our presence in order to be seen. I tend to feel more valued in a space where I am not continually defined from the ideals of others. Being alone gives me the chance to heal from an unhealthy dose of urban exposure. What feels more like an all too common parasitic life draining unbalanced symbiotic experience; as opposed to healthy "graduated exposure".

I find it is unhealthy to envisage loneliness as a black whole that sucks the life out of me, playing the atypical project role of hands in head despair. The exposure to one emotion over long periods of time, become as addictive as sugar for the many who have experienced nothing else. Today's expectations of social norms requires many more losses than winners in order to succeed. Yet graduated exposure into the world of things ... is far from what I need.

Social Compliance → The realm of social interaction, the environment in which it unfolds is dictated very much buy a system that values objects far more, than the living. The less individuals that participate within such a culture, the less valuable their society become. People spend so much time in the pockets of others, that when finally left to themselves, they are terrified with what remains.

Building healthy connections with the living is much more conducive to well being for the whole, than any of the kind of clinical process that's more focused in keeping in line with current trends. Coming to terms with who we really are requires a higher level of disconnection than the system projects.
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What's your take? Can loneliness be more than just a projected image of a silhouetted body with hands in head? Can it be more than the thoughts typically feed our pain?

[JustaGal]

Can it be more than the thoughts that feed our pain?

I see it as some kind of blanket that gives comfort and clarity. I think it's threatening to our modern way of living, to those that require our presence in order to be seen. I tend to feel more valued in a space where I am not continually defined from the ideals of others. Being alone gives me the chance to heal from an unhealthy dose of urban exposure. What feels more like an all too common parasitic life draining unbalanced symbiotic experience; as opposed to healthy "graduated exposure".

I find it is unhealthy to envisage loneliness as a black whole that sucks the life out of me, playing the atypical project role of hands in head despair. The exposure to one emotion over long periods of time, become as addictive as sugar for the many who have experienced nothing else. Today's expectations of social norms requires many more losses than winners in order to succeed. Yet graduated exposure into the world of things ... is far from what I need.

Social Compliance → The realm of social interaction, the environment in which it unfolds is dictated very much buy a system that values objects far more, than the living. The less individuals that participate within such a culture, the less valuable their society become. People spend so much time in the pockets of others, that when finally left to themselves, they are terrified with what remains.

Building healthy connections with the living is much more conducive to well being for the whole, than any of the kind of clinical process that's more focused in keeping in line with current trends. Coming to terms with who we really are requires a higher level of disconnection than the system projects.
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What's your take? Can loneliness be more than just a projected image of a silhouetted body with hands in head? Can it be more than the thoughts typically feed our pain?

I dont know.... but it is really hard to deal with. I do find connecting with friends I genuinely like really lifts my spirit.

[Ponder]

Yep, we often find solace in those we can trust. My context to all that text you quoted like so - is aimed more at drawing a distinction between that act of being alone, Vs not being able to handle ourselves. Of course it is much easier to define the sorrow, to simply being alone. Finding a balance between the two, requires some kind of reflection, that goes further than classic clinical responses based on something others than the root. Most methodologies used, require practices that help with easing the symptoms whilst in doing so, feed the root cause. Thus we tend to counter with well meaning, appropriate and many other kinds of BS tactics to ignore. Like a psychiatrist pumped up on success, self betterment and positivity. lmfao - Let's not forget the drugs. Long list of those friends too.

I get that having friends is great - poeple who don't suffer from despair, but can actually live alone, are typically written off as a Hermit, recluse, antisocial, skeptic, onto cynic and whatever undesirable term helps to justify the "mold". Far be it for anyone to actually consider positive tributes more often found, when taking time out to be alone - to be separate - TO DISCONNECT!

Words like disconnected are instead used to buff dependency on others, rather than self. "I feel so disconnected" as if it such a bad thing. Many professionals are against dis-identification because it actually works so well. Keeping people connected to the many copping strategies is as big business as taking drugs - eg ... CBT.

Fast becoming everyone's new best friend. ;) - Yet something else that appeases the symptoms, but does little to address the self/cause. It's a hard side to the coin that goes against the grain.
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Is OK - I know I am pissing in the wind. lmao - It's been a while, but figured this place could do with an injection, instead of a pill.

Here - allow me to quote for the quoters to get you all started -

[Ponder]

Yep, we often find solace in those we can trust. My context to all that text you quoted like so - is aimed more at drawing a distinction between that act of being alone, Vs not being able to handle ourselves. Of course it is much easier to define the sorrow, to simply being alone. Finding a balance between the two, requires some kind of reflection, that goes further than classic clinical responses based on something others than the root. Most methodologies used, require practices that help with easing the symptoms whilst in doing so, feed the root cause. Thus we tend to counter with well meaning, appropriate and many other kinds of BS tactics to ignore. Like a psychiatrist pumped up on success, self betterment and positivity. lmfao - Let's not forget the drugs. Long list of those friends too.

I get that having friends is great - poeple who don't suffer from despair, but can actually live alone, are typically written off as a Hermit, recluse, antisocial, skeptic, onto cynic and whatever undesirable term helps to keep the from the "mold". Far be it for anyone to actually consider the positive atributes more often found when taking time out to be alone - to be separate - TO DISCONNECT!

Words like disconnected are instead used to buff dependency on others, rather than self. "I feel so disconnected" as if it such a bad thing. Many professionals are against dis-identification because it actually works so well. Keeping people connected to the many copping stratagies is as big business as taking drugs - eg ... CBT.

Fast becoming everyone's new best friend. ;) - Yet something else that appeases the symptoms, but does little to address the self.
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Is OK - I know I am pissing in the wind. lmao - It's been a while, but figured this place could use some help.

Here - allow me to quote for the quoters to get you all started -

Nothing like a big quote - followed by a sentence. ;)

[needtogetwell]

Interesting thoughts Ponder, what prompted this one?

Recently I have been giving some thought to what being alone will be like, inevitable that it is. Alone in the sense that he who shares the biggest part of my hopes and dreams will no longer be sharing them with me.

Am I afraid to be alone? no not really. I learned long ago that one ( at least this one) needs to be alone to solidify their own thoughts. It is my opinion that if one can't be alone, one can not truly find their place in or out of society. Being alone and not lonely is a blissful state which many can not enjoy simply because society's demands require so much interpersonal interaction. Disconnecting from those demands is necessary.

Brain just stopped...... Will continue if thoughts come back to me. Lol

[jessed03]

Coming to terms with who we really are requires a higher level of disconnection than the system projects.

System doesn't like people who are different.

“The nail that sticks up will be hammered down.” – Japanese Proverb

[Ponder]

Well said Pam - I need more time to think ... but very glad you shared that with me! TY heaps. Not just because I agree, but more so because I am relieved to hear you face what each of us must. It's still not going to be easy ... excruciating no doubt. But without such recognition, it would simply be worse ... therefore you your outlook there gives me hope. I'll try to respond soon. In the middle of something but wanted to thank you for what you reveal.

Hi Jesse - aint that the truth! Lucky for me, I am already bent! They can hammer as hard as they want - I know I am destined to pop back up stronger than ever, lest they do me the favor of sending me to oblivion. Wooo hooooooo @ such a thought. :)

Back later tonight.

EDIT - got caught up with my phones camera ... sry guys. ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Check out my other thread ... I think you will like. I recorded some alone time right on sun set. :)

[Ponder]

arrr bugger it, I upload one more while I blabber some more. Hmmm - what prompted this hey? Nothing in particular ... I think it is just part of the letting go process I have been into for some time now. People should not misunderstand my context as for being antisocial. Far from it. You guys understand me well enough though. I'm just into keeping things real is all.

Today, I actually put forth to my friend about joining the Town Library. My wife seems to be less social than I would otherwise be, but I totally understand that her illness plays a lot into that.

The title I use is meant to be dramatic - It's one image of many that we tend to burn into the backs of our heads when identifying with this and that. OOPs ... my upload in now in ... we can take this up later ... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I go link those in my other thread.

Hope this finds you guys well.

Until then.

[Ponder]

Pam - somthing I cam up with in the other thread that might be more on par with why I have made this thread:

[Edit →The irony in that, is that whilst those those who wake from their deep sleep see someone else pulling the strings, those now aware don't mind accepting fault. Acceptance is the new path in which only the one can learn to tread - self realization which threatens perception is more often stigmatized as anti-social]

The truth is, that self realization actually fosters relationships as opposed to isolating them, which is what our current values systems does. [it only appears on the surface that everyone is having a good time running about in their clicks, clubs, and whatever groups - They are nothing but self serving conglomerates that selfishly think more of themselves than the loners they fear as mere buzz kill] Through perception management people settle for self betterment which facilitates only a stagnant existence which in turn keeps feeding the system.

Those who appear not to be getting better, (or have less than them, don't fit their mold, wear their clothes,wag their flags or simply think different to them) - are frowned upon as people who have done something wrong, are lazy and simply not trying hard enough ... when in many cases ... many of these people with little are quite content. With long term stigma ... unrest is spawn from the bestowal of negative energy. It's the haves that can not handle seeing people with nothing, walk about unaffected by the system. Those who are not connected to the system must suffer - its projected from all the puppets - its how they have been taught to live. So dependent is the system on suffering. - check out my sig and go learn more about Perception Management. It is very real.

My own frustration in breaking free, is why this here thread has come about. I know, many will resist and do so with comments only skin deep ... but I choose to challenge myself - and value what few connections I can make as opposed to yet another fallacy we all tend to give into is → Popularity. I'm not in this for the Likes which so many forums now employ.

Did I tell you guys about the government run Forums and how they work? I think I did - others I call clinical forums which focus more on page hits Vs quality content with a wide range of views. Narrow minded forums can appear diverse but have a central theme - one based on a revolving door with plenty of paraphernalia and linguistics that feed the Pharmacies.

I think that is enough Edits ... LOL ... I am like you in many ways Marc. You know the Freak List is actually an enlightened place to be. I'm on it too. I hold myself in contempt and all that jazz as well. I'm not well adjusted ... and I don't think I want to be. One thing you can be assured about my nature ... is that I don't hold grudges and am "quick" to forgive - as well as accept that it is often myself that requires such. Sigh ... I do regret ... yet another thing for me to learn from with my mistakes. I am srry mate. ... I have no problem with such expression ... often others do. Comes back to that self doubt often associated to those who step up to the plate. More so take a stand. I hope the others can understand ... I know Jesse understands that well. I only say as a peace maker ... but not the kind we are all so familiar with. Just reaching out.

Righto ... time for a break and then back to the show. Just kidding. :)

Peace.

[needtogetwell]

And people wonder why I have essentially unplugged from the world. I live in my own little cocoon, if I am not affected directly by something then who the hell cares?

FB is an amusement more than anything. I don't know squat about Instagram or Twitter and quite frankly couldn't care less.

Yup, unplugged from the media I am. Sounds strange coming from one who has a university degree in mass communications and Media, not to mention the political science degree I also hold. Not worth the paper they are written on. What those degrees did however was enable me to see crap for what it is. Simply crap!

End of rant.

[Ponder]

Hi Pam - I was busy going over my post above with a million edits after I posted ...

I hear you ... I have always known and admired very much your smarts!

You have a huge heart and give so much of yourself.

I LOVE YOUR RANTS! more please.

[needtogetwell]

I'm all ranted out for the minute. But somehow I just can't resist a comment or two on something which you have brought to light.

Keep writing, you never know what will happen.

Am currently formulating rant about ass holes who go to the hospital for a paper cut and wonder why I'm kept waiting for 12 hours.

Peoples self importance gets my goat every time!

PEOPLE WITH TERMINAL DEGENERATIVE DISEASES AND TERMINAL CANCER ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU!

JACKASS!!! Non

[Ponder]

I very much look forward to it when your able.