Police Gun Down young women outside Hungry Jacks

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Tragic. I am both sad and angered at such an incident. The police are about as complacent as those working in the food outlet she was shot dead in front of. This is happening far too often.

The air time on this was rather short ... too short! They tucked this one away very quick.

Such a shame ... I really feel for her family. If she had been culturally diverse, you can bet there would been droves of people in the street - hence the complacent and ease of tucking this one under the carpet.

How the fuck she was not tasered/netted/or one of umpteen other ways of being disabled is outrageous. Shot in the fucking chest!!!

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Why the fuck I am trying to reintegrate is beyond me.

This has set me back - none the less ... I am sure there are many parents out there that could use more of a hand as opposed to blowing their fucking kids away!

I really don't know what else to say.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/woman-shot-dead-at-hungry-jacks-in-hoxton-park-sydney-20150210-13akep.html

It would make for a guaranteed suicide attempt ... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Sad thing is - people on social media could care less about the mentally unstable. "They deserve to be shot" is the main stream thought on Face Book. Sadly, Main stream is very accepting of such shootings.

Very Very Sad and Angry at the same time.

Regretfully
Dave.

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Figured as much.

[1Bluerose68]

Oh my goodness, it's a good thing i have lost some of my big appetite, and am too anxious to eat out at ronchy places of that sort.

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Hi Blue.

Better than ending up crippled on the pavement gasping for air and eyes rolling around in back of head with two dozen pieces of hot shrapnel torn through your chest.


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People medicate to ignore this shit. ( I don't really blame them at all - just saying cause I am a sad case myself - no offense intended)

I'd rather talk about it for the problem it is - and the problem it continues to be.

It really is such a shame.

PS - this shit brings up suicidal tendencies in me ... not meaning to say I am going to act on such, but I am such outraged and so saddened I literally feel disabled over the last few days since hearing this ... the way they highlight other shit on the news and then the way they just mention this story in passing and so on ... I'm really struggling as having a few daughters myself and just the way society thinks towards people who have mental issues.

I really wish more people would face these issues as opposed to just pretending this shit is in someone else's back yard. Bit like all that peace keeping bullshit across the world. I seriously can't wait till the sun goes down on me. If only I could be blessed with such an ending.

Regretfully - I am really mean regretfully

Dave. :(

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Sometimes I wonder how much the population increase is damaging the world. I mean, you only have to look at certain parts of India, at least over the past couple of decades, to see how human life gets devalued when there's so much of it.

I guess that's a weird thing to say when a woman's been shot in Australia; I just get this feeling from reading the news and going on social media though, that there are so many people now, losing one of the dodgy ones -- meh. At least in society's eyes. Only another 7.2 billion folks on earth.

In Britain, they're cutting mental health services to the bone. That shows the respect they have for it and the vulnerable. In some cases, desperately suicidal people are having to wait in hospital waiting rooms for 5 hours. And why not? Fuck em, right? They don't pay tax, and that's all that seems to matter. People are being told they can only be taken to a safe inpatient centre if they travel 200 miles away from their families where there's an available bed. You can't help feel a large group of people find the mentally ill just a waste of time and resources.

We have this campaign here called "Talk about it". They want you to talk about mental illness more to your doctor. I notice the campaign is only really aimed at those working in offices who presumably aren't barmy enough to cost the state welfare money, and aren't ill enough to require a lot of time off work. The rest, seems they want to just sweep them under the rug.

Or shoot them.

That woman's is a sad case. She probably would have responded well to meds of some sort.

[gypsylee]

Hi Dave :)

I saw this and was pretty shocked. Then I heard she had Asperger's?

Queensland police don't have the best reputation but I think the Vic police take the cake for unnecessary shootings. I live right near where the Luke Batty thing happened. That guy probably deserved it more than this woman though.

Anyway I hope you feel better.

Bye for now,
Gypsy x

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Thanks for the replies guys. I read the yesterday and was feeling much better for having seen them. Thanks Heaps.

Wise words Jesse - also Gypsy ...

I am kind of bogged down presently - but am very thankful for you guys sharing your thoughts.

Much appreciated.

Cheers.
Dave.

Perhaps I can return to this latter when I am feeling a little more charge up. :)

It certainly is worth exploring deeper into much of what you have said Jesse ... and I would also add ... although I know how you can see he deserved it Gypsy ... I remain more objective/subjective - about both cases involving the batting and cutting of throats recently here in Australia of children.

Lets recap that last sentence ...

The beating to death of a child with a cricket bat ... and the stabbings and cutting of children's throats - all family related incidents.

Whilst we still have authoritarians who advocate police using their guns to take charge like so ... the breeding of such contention that spawns mental instability will see more disillusion behavior on the increase!

I'm up for talking all about that - Lest we leave it to authorities to keep tending.

People get so wrapped up in the feelings and BS news presentations they fail to see just how how severe the problem is yet to be. That is untill someone next door starts yelling and screaming blue murder.

Again - that's reality weather you choose to create another or not ... We still live on the same planet do we not. All this over sales on create your own world plays into it as well.

As for the medication comment Jesse - imho - ( if one can ever say such a thing [I mean no offense intended) - That's too generalized a thought to really know. So many of us go fucking mental on them that one can not just assume the use of them is going to stop such actions from occurring. If indeed this young lady does suffer some form of autism ... so what ... its becoming as generalized as adhd and all the other fucking lables people want to come up with ...

How about we medicate the fucking cops so they stop using thier guns and start thinking before going for the holster ... hmmmm ... is really about on par with that man ... not so easy to go reaching for the meds either ... how about we just start thinking for ourselves ... that would be a good fucking start ... actually take an interest in the JOBS - or whatever the fuck ya want to call them ... doctors to CARE - police to POLICE ... and so on ...

Like I said ... I'm pretty much bogged down ... and no return to my FANTASY in mindecraft ... better than any meds they have tried me on.

All the same guys ....

Thanks for the responses ... we don't have to agree - but I think we do have to start trying to talk and get along where we can.

Cheers
Dave.

[gypsylee]

I was reading an article about this yesterday and realised it happened in NSW not Qld, so my comment about Qld police was stupid lol.

To be honest I really don't know enough about these situations to comment properly ie. What Police protocol is, what they could've done differently, how bad the situations were etc.

But regarding Luke Batty - it's great his mum won Australian of the Year and she's now saying the govt can't pretend to support victims of domestic violence and cut funding to services at the same time (they're about to cut another $2 million to front-line services). I bet Abbott cringed when he found out she won Aust of the Year.

[gypsylee]

Sometimes I wonder how much the population increase is damaging the world. I mean, you only have to look at certain parts of India, at least over the past couple of decades, to see how human life gets devalued when there's so much of it.

I guess that's a weird thing to say when a woman's been shot in Australia; I just get this feeling from reading the news and going on social media though, that there are so many people now, losing one of the dodgy ones -- meh. At least in society's eyes. Only another 7.2 billion folks on earth.

In Britain, they're cutting mental health services to the bone. That shows the respect they have for it and the vulnerable. In some cases, desperately suicidal people are having to wait in hospital waiting rooms for 5 hours. And why not? Fuck em, right? They don't pay tax, and that's all that seems to matter. People are being told they can only be taken to a safe inpatient centre if they travel 200 miles away from their families where there's an available bed. You can't help feel a large group of people find the mentally ill just a waste of time and resources.

We have this campaign here called "Talk about it". They want you to talk about mental illness more to your doctor. I notice the campaign is only really aimed at those working in offices who presumably aren't barmy enough to cost the state welfare money, and aren't ill enough to require a lot of time off work. The rest, seems they want to just sweep them under the rug.

Or shoot them.

That woman's is a sad case. She probably would have responded well to meds of some sort.

It's the same here jesse. I feel lucky to have had my first serious episode of anxiety/depression in the early 90s when there were more services. I saw a psychiatrist every week for an hour for nothing, for a long time. Now I think you're lucky to get six visits.

I think the UK is still worse off but Australia is definitely going that way. The conservative govts simply do not care about vulnerable people. In fact they don't care about anyone other than the very wealthy. Our govt and what it's doing actually has a lot in common with Fascist govts.

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No worries Dave. In England, they naturally never mentioned it at all, so your post was the first I heard of it.

What's your gun situation over there? Do all of your police carry them, or just a few? They're trying to give every cop here a taser now, because of the "war on terror". All that's gonna mean is more people get shocked when the police don't like their tone. Although they aren't as dangerous as guns, keep using them and people are gonna die. Stupid really, because what's a taser gonna do against a gun, anyway? I've got a feeling the cops are using it as an excuse to tool up because we've had a lot of protests about insane cutbacks lately. I think they're worried people are about to fight back against wage cuts, house price increases, hospital privatisations, etc. All while the rich get richer. In the age of the internet, it's getting harder to lie to people.

I've definitely noticed a no-shit approach from our police lately. Sadly that extends to the mentally ill too.

Ah, anyway, I hope you're doing fairly well yourself. I'm not doing too badly, but you know what they say. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there and I'm wearing bacon underpants. :)


@ Gyspy: Ah, Abbott. We hear a lot about him! I hear he was on his last legs recently. Seems he's held onto his job... for now. We've got our own elections in May. That's gonna be interesting. The odds are predicting a conservative win, which is crazy seeing as they plan to cut everything to the actual bone: welfare, hospital services, community projects. Problem is, all of our social parties are just jokes. They're self-servers who just so happen to pat themselves on the back pretending they're do-gooders.

I do really feel for the people having their breakdowns now. Mine was 5 years ago, and I feel I caught the very last bit of functioning healthcare. All of the outpatient centres that helped me so very much have closed, and mental health funding in general has been sliced. The charities that helped me get back on my feet have gone under, and even getting a doctors appointment these days can take forever.

I don't know how the new people cope in such a horrible, vulnerable period in their lives. I can only see suicide rates and instances like this increasing really. Mental illness doesn't just go away, it progressively worsens. Sad.

[gypsylee]

No worries Dave. In England, they naturally never mentioned it at all, so your post was the first I heard of it.

What's your gun situation over there? Do all of your police carry them, or just a few? They're trying to give every cop here a taser now, because of the "war on terror". All that's gonna mean is more people get shocked when the police don't like their tone. Although they aren't as dangerous as guns, keep using them and people are gonna die. Stupid really, because what's a taser gonna do against a gun, anyway? I've got a feeling the cops are using it as an excuse to tool up because we've had a lot of protests about insane cutbacks lately. I think they're worried people are about to fight back against wage cuts, house price increases, hospital privatisations, etc. All while the rich get richer. In the age of the internet, it's getting harder to lie to people.

I've definitely noticed a no-shit approach from our police lately. Sadly that extends to the mentally ill too.

Ah, anyway, I hope you're doing fairly well yourself. I'm not doing too badly, but you know what they say. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there and I'm wearing bacon underpants. :)

@ Gyspy: Ah, Abbott. We hear a lot about him! I hear he was on his last legs recently. Seems he's held onto his job... for now. We've got our own elections in May. That's gonna be interesting. The odds are predicting a conservative win, which is crazy seeing as they plan to cut everything to the actual bone: welfare, hospital services, community projects. Problem is, all of our social parties are just jokes. They're self-servers who just so happen to pat themselves on the back pretending they're do-gooders.

I do really feel for the people having their breakdowns now. Mine was 5 years ago, and I feel I caught the very last bit of functioning healthcare. All of the outpatient centres that helped me so very much have closed, and mental health funding in general has been sliced. The charities that helped me get back on my feet have gone under, and even getting a doctors appointment these days can take forever.

I don't know how the new people cope in such a horrible, vulnerable period in their lives. I can only see suicide rates and instances like this increasing really. Mental illness doesn't just go away, it progressively worsens. Sad.

Yep Abbott nearly lost the top spot but he hung on unfortunately. He's embarrassing lol.

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Is OK Gypsie, minor oversight ... I just saw no reason to correct it. :) I was more interested in your comment regarding QLD Police. I find it a bit iconic how we place weights on whatever labels regarding what state someone comes from. No offense intended, but I think we need to get away from such borderline/flag waving mentality. None the less, I do understand why many fall into such -> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ->a systematic way of wanting for feel apart of something - especially those of us that feel so disconnected. Hence I believe the illness that plagues societies "heads of state" is rather systemic the world over. I think Jesse confirms that for me when I read what's going on over there as well.

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Jesse, I also grieve for the young ones, old ones and anyone caught in the middle. Even with emotional reactions (seems the new term in mental illness lately) put aside, one can not help but reason how hopeless the situation currently is for those struggling to find their feet in such a selfish world.

I'm struggling very much. Despite my recent victory to overcome the medication and all the side effects they gave me - despite finding the time, space and various over techniques to catch my racing mind ... I can't help but feel so withdrawn in the face of what is continually aired, screened, pictured, written, voiced and so on.

I'm kind of over the Perception Response many give to reason our responses. I know many of the facilitators and therapists mean well, but with regard to the shit we are talking about here ... trying to reason ones point of view with the "hope" to make things more positive does very little to change the outcome for those who in fact do fall victim to such a monetized and obligated fairing system. People just don't feel like a victim, they actually become one regardless of whatever magical possy wossy perspective one can dream up. LOL @ such attempts to fucking reason this BS away! That too also feeds into the victimization and enables the stigmatization! People just don't understand me when I explain that in order to find balance, we also have to be fucking real about the end results currently being conveniently being swept away. The other side of the coin - is not only are services being cut back, but how existing ones are starting to adopt such bullshit strategies in pacifying those of us who care not for our veiw point, but simply still end up seeing the same results that so no one wants to really know about. It draws too much of an emotional response for most to live pleasant lives and also just plainly to hot to deal with.

Withdraw the services and knock those who can not stand! - Up the anty ... Drive people to extremes than point the finger. Very very fucking Sad. Bullies in charge of the system. I think I would prefer chaos in the street as oppose to this kind of mind fuck living. Perhaps that is indeed a course where I say to those sitting on the paid seat handing out advice ... Indeed ... Your view point does indeed direct your response!

What do we do about it comes the next life changing text book response.

I'm too fucked up about now to play pass em backs - just accept it for what it is ............ forget about where we stand and talk about what we see. That'll do for now.

I'll check back on later guys ... no need to carry on as this kind of thing can indeed weigh a soul down .... but I do appreciate the recognition given from each of you here.

Thanks Guys ...

I am still doing group therapy ... seeing someone who I think I can trust (3rd person in last 6 months --- getting there (you have to keep looking with regards to trust) ................ pushing through with the voluntary work as well .... just changing from place to place .... might have something more me on the horizon soon as apposed to jumping into any kind of "system" that never works for me. unless my own system ;)

Peace and all that.

Fact is ---- once you get a grip ... start clearing the head ... its the reality of what then befalls when you see the world for what it really is that takes a hold and makes me thing "right on Jesse" with that comment about giving such acknowledgement to what really is and Oh srry it really is for those currently penned up with things the way they now be. That's just not feeling down - it's also compassion man -> that's how we best see ... that way we don't cover up the truth with nice happy feelings that make us later feel like another hit when such fails to stem the reality of this rock we must live and breath.

I really appreciate your feeling for the many who meet such zero tolerance of which you speak.

Thanks heaps for that.

TY.

[Junz]

yoh, shocking news