The God Delusion

[Ponder]

This book has been a life saver for me. Religion has played a devastating role in my family. If religion has messed you up, I highly recommend this book. I've been reading more since my last suicide attempt and really glad I have done so.

On my phone for now, so won't say much more, other than say how happy I am to of found this book.

[Dahila]

Hi Ponder, finally. this is fantastic book, hm I would never advice someone Not to read a book. Why can we not leave people to their believes and accept them for what they are? It is very sad, very sad indeed.

[Ponder]

I find it amusing that they keep reporting my posts. So much for ignoring my posts. The more I read that book, the more I feel a weight being lifted. Again, I say -} if ever you want to understand the futility and or the self harm in religion, then this book is for you.

It's OK to preach hate under the banner of religion, but Not OK for non believers to speak of the hateful people. I'm really loving the words Richard users. Patriarchal for one! Pernicious for another and so many more that highlight the dogma for what it really is.

I'm using my kindle and finding the one touch dictionary meanings quite educational as I go along. In the case of this book, I find myself smiling much to discover the wit and passion with how Richard uses words the way he does. Very educational whilst yet straight forward. It's like having a huge ball and chain removed. :)

[Dahila]

He is a wonderful human being with open , sharp mind:)) The language is quiet elegant I have to admit, a lot of learning a lot:))
Why people report your posts? there is nothing to report, ignore I understand being ignored by many ;)) one the very end they start to see me again, I find it funny:)

[Ponder]

The IGGY button is very effective. I see "IS" has attempted to denounce in the way it does, but very happy to report It's presence non existent. I'm back home now - but going to play some computer games as I do. Will check in later to carry on my topic here as I will. They too should learn actually use the iggy button, rather than make posts about it. See you soon :)

[Dahila]

good good,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I think people get the impression that you attack the religion. You should put it

"The God Delusion" is a book by Richard Dawkins

link to amazon
be brave and click me (http://www.amazon.ca/The-God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618918248) ;))))) it should explain what it is

I doubt it will be read:)

Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary theorist and holds the Charles Simonyi Chair in the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. He is also a best seller author of science books, and quite easy to read.

In this book, Dawkins tackles the problem of religion -- and he does see it as a problem. Dawkins begins by pointing out that there is no evidence whatsoever of god. True, he cannot prove that god does not exist, but the same is true of all possible gods, including Zeus and Wotan. The fact that something cannot be proven false is no evidence whatsoever that is true.

Dawkins further points out how religion (or, more precisely, faith) is so damaging. Faith is, quite simply, the enemy of reason. If one believes something on faith then, by definition, it does not matter what the evidence shows, one will still believe. It is a matter of faith. No matter how strong the evidence of evolution, for example, many faithful simply refuse to believe. With faith, there is no argument, no evidence good enough. With reason, one will still make mistakes, but at least one is trying to get it right.

Dawkins believes very strongly in what he says, but that does not make him just another fundamentalist. Dawkins came to his beliefs by looking at evidence, considering all arguments and applying reason. If, tomorrow, one presented him with evidence that he was wrong, he would change his mind.

This book will offend many readers, but that is not what Dawkins intends and it only proves his point: readers who are offended have been so blinded by religion that they are unable to consider that they might be wrong without suffering pain.

For an explanation of how evolution works, read Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker. For a small sample of the evidence behind the theory (and a brief history of life on earth), read The Ancestor's Tale. These books are written in a less strident manner, and would only offend the those who take the Bible completely literally, and cannot tolerate the thought that they are mistaken.

[Ponder]

http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/207.gif (http://cool-smileys.com//clapping-smiley) Excellently put Dahila. I have no problem with the title but understand what you mean. I think the Title of his book is very well put. Of course it's going to offend those that invest so blindly as they do. Some invest knowing full well they do not believe at all! Such are the times in which we live. Religion has become the weapon of choice; and it is now that non-believers face the lions den.

I really appreciated the way Richard handled the context of GOD - I can't recall all the terms now - but things like Dietys- Demigods - theists - mono and so on. I really got a lot out of that! Those that believe in a supernatural being that intervenes and one that does not, down to only one god Vs the man and on and on. I like how he hits hard on just how Vengeful and full of hate the old testament god is and I will add, such scorn towards non-believers does not wane with the introduction of the New Testament.

More over - It felt very refreshing to hear his thoughts on wishy washy fantasy like creations formed from no other than gender retaliation from the sexist New Testament patriarch white bearded figment in the sky - such comes the wondrous Goddess's to redeem and empower gender based "complexes" - This Guy covers literary ever religious hangup that has been created and demystifies so much more -

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I find the unfavorable reviews quite amusing given they have actually have nothing whatsoever - to discredit the author -> and like you have alluded in your above response - they play right into what is so well exposed when they attempt to do so. He hits the nail on the head for me, when he describes how religion is sold like soap flakes. SO TRUE - Nothing but big business with so many people looking for the tax exemptions - Religion has never been so shallow as it so currently stands - Promo billboard with face book memes - Pathetic really - I've always said the church car parks and glorified schools and segregated mini towns show them off as real nutters chasing heaven on earth - So ingrained in politics that it's like a drug that one can not be without lest one be persecuted for non-conformity.

The wife and I had a good conversation on the road about just how violent Christians be - along side all the other mass murdering and vengeful religions they claim to eradicate in whoevers name. Do you remember the example about the "police" in the USA spitting in the face of those protesting against their One True God - They are FANATICS and every bit as evil as the Terrorists they themselves spawn. Tully such an evil highlighted so well in his book.

FUCK RELIGION - I don't care if they see my speaking out against it as an attack - It's fantastic to of come across this book!!! We need more like this one to expose religion for what it is. How people HIDE behind religion is rather quite the cop out and I really see it more and more now as I read through this book. I feel empowered where once I was dis empowered and led to believe I am nothing unless I bend, bow and sobber for forgiveness.

The very essences of the term sheeple is described so well in this book -

Love how he explains that religion is very much in decline in England and how Fanatical the Americans have become with it. Something about how England has simple become tired of the age old conquering and abuse of religion - in contrast to the founding fathers of the USA who were in fact very much secular - it's all in the book and I can't wait to get back into it.

Far from the loving and compassion so preached - I also warm up to how it's explained that you don't need a God to be kind and compassionate - it's just a shame that religion is so black and white - so vengeful and blinded to see just that. (in fact they preach against it and call it false love) All about control - and status -
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Anyways Dahila - they supposedly have us on ignore - and they NEED TO LEARN that just because they believe in whatever does not mean we don't have a right to object!!!!!!! Oh How that point is so highlighted with so many in the US claiming the right to HATE as they do.imply because it's their religion. Hahahaha - This is exactly why Society needs to wise up and pay no attention to religious claims whatsoever and actually start labeling it along side the many other mental disorders.

Pffffft - I'm not here to sell this book - I'm here to say how empowering it is for me. I know too well how vengeful and full of HATE this God is of whom he speaks - how manipulating and controlling such cults be - I also give no distinction with those whom claim whatever over another denomination - The whole GOD FACADE is so well exposed in this book, I can now go to my death without the fear so we imprinted from such evil beings under the spell of such BS self made fantasy point blank -

Unfortunately the mental instability is a work in progress - Religion has really really fucked my over and contributed to my brothers untimely passive suicide - So many humans who wished they were dead as opposed to having to account for every breath they take as some kind of Sin!

But right now - I need more empowering through more exposure of the sickness so well entrenched in out society - I see these people as more than just blind - they are the most selfish and hateful people on this planet - they have contributed hugely in destroying this world - I ponder to nurse my broken soul or work on accepting what that term be - how humans have wasted such an opportunity of existing at all ...

They have to keep defending and in that process kill so many - destroy so many - we are too many - we are literally everything that is unnatural ... and so undeserving of this world - what there is left of it ... what a waste!

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SO my good friend - how is it that we can find any kind of resolve ... you know how the young can not see ... so by the wayside with such disrespect ... we have seen good people die, we ourselves feel so drained and suffer the residual effect of even attempting to express as we do ...

What is there left for us ??? How do we carry on in a world so fake as it be? How do we adopt new insights without falling into the BS Hype so commonly sold ... if you know what I mean ... example - I find a new group that offers some kind of hope with respect to easing ones pain/torment but only to find they too ... have fanciful figments with whimsical stories of how things be ...

Why cant we just fucking be without all the BS history lessons on who said this or that - why can't we just be happy with less!

SIGH .............. I'm reaching here because I know I'm just as selfish myself ... I'm as lost as any one I claim to see ... I hope this author offers some kind of hope or coping mechanism - because I don't blame anyone sole that wants off this earth and or simply to no longer exist whatsoever.

We have to find some kind of hope as those selfish fucks that live for riches, tomorrows and immortalizing themselves as the so desire and strive ... they right us off as mere cancer cells ... Yet how much more we know the truth of how it is that they themselves take from this world.

What the fuck is wrong with us? - We are from from evolved ... we are far from advanced ... If I'm going to keep breathing Dahila, I need to find some kind of reason ... otherwise I'm just doing time for the sake of my kids and that kind of thinking is just as mentally retarded as religion.
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Alas - I do take stock in now knowing that whatever happens - I'm not going to hell. :) That's a good fucking start!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[Ponder]

Meanwhile - back on the ranch ... went for a walk with my wife. That's a couple of times now, so things are looking up.

I'll pop in here to let you know how things are going and hopefully John - Pam and Cully might join in.

Going to wash up and listen to some tunes and or start podcasting again with some kind of interests in mind.

I must ring tomorrow to double check my appointments ...

Please remind me Dahila if you remember.... "Dave don't forget to check your appointment dates.

Nice picture ... shame about all those damn people down there though. :)

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5556/15213923472_eb132fe14f_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pbpkpo)

I thought you might also like this one Dahila: (The recent chats we have had, have helped me big time TY)
I finally got to meet my grandson.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3907/15232947445_59b557abd3_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pd5QyV)

I hope you guys are doing OK :)

[Enduronman]

Just wanted to say hello friend...
Hope you're doing well and best wishes to you.

E-Man :)

[JohnC]

Oh Dave he is beautiful!!!!!!!!
You know that i do not normally get into the religion argument but just thought that i would share. Most of you know that i was brought up by a loving catholic family and had no problems with that. I do question a lot of things with all religions since NONE of it is actually from the time of christ/mohammed or whoever. It is all rewrote into what ever way the author decided to interpret it. I would prefer to live in a world where people helped each other through thick and thin and and work together. We should look at the way a striving Ant colony works together ( maybe not the best example ). Lets help the aged for they once helped us. Lets make sure our young are fed and grow up in the right direction. Lets help the ones who struggle to find the peace that they so long for. Basically lets just help each other, be kind to each other and live a better life. It has always amazed me that we have been killing each other since our existence. Now if Catholics are killing Muslims and Muslims are killing Catholics and joe smo is killing who ever in the name of religion. I gotta believe that one side of the killing is wrong and boy aren't they going to be surprised! I guess what i am saying is that things are not right in this world because of greed, misguided religion, politics and so on. It is truly a sad thing in my eye's. What is even worse is that i see no end in sight.
Sorry to ramble had a little to much caffeine this morning :)
P.S. I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone or anyones religion or beliefs, this is just a thought. :)
Hope all of you are well and again that's one fine grandson you got there.

[Dahila]

John it is just beautiful what you said. I have nothing to add.

People do not understand us they think that we attack their believes. It is so wrong, and it shows how close minded they are. I do not attack anyone, or anything, As long as the person is decent does not do harm to others, knows compassion and understanding, it fine. They may believe in gold buffalo, I do not care. Scientists do , it what I heard :))

Bill Maher you guys should read his books, he is a jew from Orthodox family, and he is an atheist, beside he is the smartest guy who has an awesome show. He invites incredible people... I love the guy

I believe in trees and nature power, we see it everyday. Something bad happening is is like Holy war. Atheists will be killed by Catholics or Muslim, who cares....right.
There is not compassion, understanding, personal freedom in this world, it will end and atheists, Muslims, Catholics, or Buddhists will die like everyone else. We are the same when the life ends. Why to waste the precious time for fights over something someone invented to have power over people, :)

Dave the picture is awesome even with your a bit demonic smile. Grandson is such a beautiful baby and I am happy you met him. :) very happy indeed, grandchildren are blessing and not matter who is the father or mother. I love mine to pieces. I want the picture, can you send it to me?

DO NOT FORGET TO CHECK YOUR APPOINTMENTS FOR NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!!!;)

[Ponder]

Hey E-man :) Thanks for the shoutout - I hope those new meds you tried out a week or so ago are helping out? It can't hurt to swap things around hey - well under the guidance of a rice bubble quack maybe -- hmmm?

JOHN! - Nice to see ya man. I still have visions of Russian Olives (they look yum yum) ... They were on your Flkr acount. I'm now following you dude, but don't worry - you'll hear me coming. :) Thanks for the share - and DUDE ... in my threads you can RAAAAAAAAVVVVVVVVVVVVVE all you like.

Please do not apologize for fear of cracking someones smile because their ideals are not your own. Religion is fast losing the right to claim any standing whatsoever. They are the ones that personalize an others opinion when it is not even their own. Religion is gear up for a fighting despite all the crap about love and compassion. On the other hand "people" have every right to denounce and or express the unwanted - unnecessary and above all - un-natural and remotely alien concept that has destroyed humanity as a whole, to which in my book ... is far better off seeking to eradicate and dis-empower religion as passionately as it seeks to wipe out all those who do not see as them.

Religious Rights - Pfft ... that's the first thing that needs to be eradicated from societies rules books - Ha - Rule Books - LOL ... throw those out as well! -

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Here's a tip that works wonders - If they come on in defending and telling ... bla bla bla ... Hit the IGGY button. Your better off not knowing them. If they are religious, yet seek to be "nice" - then I guess it does not hurt to entertain them - but as soon as they start with that BS - "It's my religious right ....." Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - Hit the iggy button - Not jumping in the ring is the best way to go. They live for conflict - Their Bible is their shield and they use it to bash others with repeatedly - Society would do well to simply IGNORE them - but alas ... it's so ingrained and such an effective pacification tactic that secular elites that pretend to be religoius use the same dogma to fuck us all over ... Unfortunately you don't have to be religious to destroy the world - you simply just have to adopt its effective trump cards - therefore it's not something thats going to go away ... the planet is pretty much fucked and humanity is set to soon become extinct.

Extinct --- NOW THAT MAKES ME HAPPY! Seriously ... we don't deserve this life and when once begins to see that, the close they are to letting go of seeking out that "expensive and sophisticated look" LMFAO to think this is how humans now think and live - Oh My Oh My ... must have ... must get rid of and react a new look ... things get old real quick in this plastic world of must have ............

RAAAAAAAAAAVEEEEEing is good John ......... it's like getting off the plane barefoot and wriggling ones toes in the grass ... FUCK YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL DAHILA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcJohfS4vTQ

Never heard of him, but now have a new Title to search and have a laugh while I'm at it. Cheers.

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Hmmmm - Today I go finish some flybys of a property I am videoing ... ring up to confirm appointment with the therapist (touch wood this one knows better than to -experiment- with me and or simply likes the job and is willing to work for the money it so moves to contribute) ... do a little yard work .............

I am battling with growing herbs in the sand, however slowly they seem to be doing ok - have to water more regularly - will one day get around to taking some snap shots ....

So that's about it for now my little magical fairy friends living their second lives with all the advice under the sun - for the great SETH has now spoken and you all know have your choices to bare ... bla bla fucking bla - the stars today read as and the planets are a drift ... yours is the oyster and each breath you breath is your responsibility and take heart for that suicidal feeling is what you needed in oder to see ... thou shalt now spring wings to go catch goblins and reap great rewards - a new flood is coming and all that will be streets of gold for those who do as I say ... Go read this, Go read that - You Must - I say - I am the great IMS with it's little stream of worshipers uttering great sentences of praise.

who the fuck are they kidding? One thing is for sure - we are all in the fucking right place. ;)

Have a great day all.

PS thank you for reminder - that was exactly what I meant and it worked like a charm - TY and Hugs to you. :)

[Ponder]

...lastly

Dahila - ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahah ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa & ahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaahahahah & again .... lmfao

How I missed this guys I do not know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POhryDr0Q4g

Thanks a TON!

[Dahila]

Have you seen the movie? You must, I watched it at least three times. Bill was introduced to me by my son, yeah he is like me, so is my daughter:)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/
then another clip by Bill ;))))))))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6qIoMjfECo
that thread is for open minded people!!! People who can see what is going on :)

[Ponder]

DOWNLOADING Now --- cheers.

also watching the other link as well ... keep them coming.

Wishing you a good evening. - I'll be editing video today, so you might catch me ... if not no worry.

PS we all had a huge laugh this morning and we owe it all to you. TY!

[Dahila]

To be an atheist is a realistic aspiration, and a brave and splendid one. You can be an atheist who is happy, balanced, moral, and intellectually fulfilled.

No BS necessary:)))

[Joe.]

This is just out of curiosity Ponder;

What do you think of Deism?
Not a religion, but holds the stance a God of 'their' kind exists.

Me personally, am constantly changing my mind on God. I used to be a deist, but recently I've found flaws in it. So I'm rather an agnostic.

[Ponder]

LOL - So true.

If I may share some more with you Dahila ... I watched the documentary and found it really good. I like Bills approach. I feel he was able to get more out of the people he interview, more so the Richard because he seemed less threatening to them. Don't get me wrong - Richard exposes much in his own documentaries, however seeing the religious folk respond a little more with Bill was just another facet of the doco "Relgioius" that I thoroughly enjoyed. The followers themselves have no idea how crazy they sound, but the more they spoke the more I thought how effective it was to simply just let them speak and reveal how much BS these people really believe.

I found the history lesson on prior religious figures that basically fitted the story of Jesus thousands of years before Jesus very enlightening, yet no surprising. The end of the doco, although a common theme ... painted well just how religion itself is what will destroy the earth and OH ... how so many live for it's destruction. I only hope that humans will be wiped out completely from a very depressive outlook, whilst religious people pray for it to take place. I'm sure you can see the difference there. I'd prefer we make the planet out focus and repair the damage we have done, but the religious folk would rather squander the means to do so and again - selfishly wage war to fulfill tier own agendas ...

As for atheists - I'm not even sure I like that term as the believers have turned the tables on them by making non-belief a religion, so I'm careful not to put myself in any box whatsoever. I note Bill is also careful to remind his audience "OK OK it's NOT a Rally Here!" LOL - Having said that though - I too totally agree with his end analogy that the Sane people of the world - the Non-Believers that c an clearly see how fucked up all the rest are - NEED - to take a stand otherwise they themselves become enablers. This I totally agree -

On the note of taking a stand against religion - I see many barriers ... I wonder if I should bore you with them - hehe ... I think I will try ... perhaps not many barriers but a few Big ones.
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My opinion - as I have tried to explain, but not so well ............... The drug - Religious pacification works so well that the secular crowed use it to manipulate, sell, control or whatever ... Non-beleivers have to stop using the same manipulative tactics that religious uses full stop. I use to think long and hard as a part believer on COMPROMISE - I grew up rather sheltered and abused ... as a result perhaps I was just Naive and gullible on everything - but something inside me later (whilst still a broken hearted and weak person under the influence of the Jesus factor/the God equation so well suited for the suffers alike) What the fuck is this shit on the radio ... Christian radio stations selling their religion with secular mediarised brainwashing techniques. If I had not been so dogma with my still strong and still suborn persona - It would of been laughable to which now kind of rings hysterical for me and my current fucked up state!!!!!!!!!!

Compromise! Religion has defiantly sold out over time and whilst I am sure there are many devout old school followers hiding out in the caves (which if I could I would or is on my mind to do like wise) - hmmmmmmm - Seriously what utter bullshit Religion has become with the selling out that has taken place in the west with regard to sensationalist evangelicalism or whatever the fuck you want to call it. If it was not fucked up enough that the USA got a big head after world war II and could not pull its head in - I think from a religious aspect it simply made sense to use religion to set the stage and the greed that resulted really took off during the 80's (another doco on that) where the states went absolutely insane with taking over the world with it's beg revival .................. comprimise really came into Christianty then with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ setting a new stage and today ............ Jesus fucking christ ............. what can I say - we still have Yuppies thinking that joining a church and Christian affiliated school, housing estate, hospital or anything bandwagon with Jesus attached, is going to bring them $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ -

The doco speaks well of how Jesus feels about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - What utter fucking hypocrisy that HATE so well on others that do not see as them. The only LOVE they have is for themselves, their future and their riches - how they look and how they are seen by others of their own fancy little club. As for the other Religions - It's clear they want to wipe out anyone that does not see as they do as well. Religion on that front is well suited for Psychotics!

Lost track - Getting back to the barriers - Sigh -

Perhaps better said with respect to your comment on atheist can be all loving and what not without the need to worship and have imaginary friends ... this is true, however than can be just us fucked up, abusers and selfish pricks as the religious types ... Must be the benefits of religion rubbing off on those who could care less either way. I think Athiests or at least the ISIM part of it, is full of Intellectual SNOBS that see themselves better than others and perhaps if they even have a message that clearly gets in the way of preaching how fucking stupid it is to believe in something that so clearly does not exist. My delivery I could care less about as I take anti psychotics and am just as fucked as the next guy. I think there is a huge problem with society without religion as well .... until we can admit that, we are never gong to get over the HIGH and Pacification of simply opting out - either by being a USER or an Enabler ... Everyone has to be right!

I think now of "Don't know" and that rings loud in the doco as well. Many of us are very damaged from the effects of relgion - even those that do not believe ... arrrrrrrrr ... but to admit that ... is not a good thing .. undesirable. Unpopular .... it does not sell well.

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was good to have another rave - although I am a bit pressed today and have to roll out into all the BS with various appointments. Will have to ring the machines again.

Not even sure I made a point to this wall of text ---- there goes Dave again ............. lalalalallaaaaaaaaa

Take care ----- the shit does not stop with non-belief ... for there is still a host of BS being sold on that front tooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Beam me up Scotty.

later all.

[Ponder]

PS - will be seeing yet another clinical Psychologist the day after Tomorrow. I see no reason to wind myself down. I actually like going in wound up. That way, if their only in it for a quick fix ... I know early one. "YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD DAVID!!!!" - Lets see how tactful this one is. When I go to see these people for help, I'm looking for an ear - not a advice handed out with tough love. I've been brow beaten enough to be fucking played over like that. If I want that shit, all one has to do is get arrested and locked up with compulsory medication that's beaten into your system. Alas - that's how some of these bulk bill ones think they can treat you.

This will be my last attempt at therapy since my last efforts and that was only ever a strike of luck with that therapist - that one lasted 18 months. One in a million when your on welfare! - Some people cry out for others to help themselves, however so many of US are left standing out in the cold as we try to take a few steps, whilst these little clinical fucks with their rice bubble degrees watch the fucking clock. I have no time whatsoever for those holier than thou fucks.

Good day today - got a lot done ... Even told the doc "Don't worry mate, I wont keep ya long - we should be friends you and I" - I got a smile out of him and he showed a little more interest this time around. - If they don't make an effort when you do, then you best get the fuck out of there and find someone who's able to meet you at least half way. Preference goes out to those who don't mind actually helping others and know when to cut back on volume!

But you know how it goes - Pass the buck - lets leave it in God's Hands ....


Whatever Dave - going out for a fly :)

[Ponder]

HI JOE - only just saw your post ... I need to Google more on that before I can answer ... ??? Thanks for the question.

I thought that's what it meant -> belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.

hmmmm -

[Ponder]

LOL man - your game asking me ... Well - I don't always believe everything I read, so as far as Richard - Bill and even the late Christoper Hitchens - I still like to Wonder (I think they do too) ...

Nothing wrong with sitting on the fence - Dawkins goes on to explain there are two different types of Agnostic in his book the God delusion - can't recall, but I am sure he has a point. (I often have to re-read before it sinks in) ... Hmmmmmmmm

Youtubing that one real quick ---- My INTERNET is about to be cut - 9-pm curfew for me :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkgYgJEH-e4

I am currently a borderline Teapotist - The abuse I suffered under the banner religion/GOD has most certainly pushed me that way for sure.

I like the analogy given at the above link - makes sense to me.

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I can't answer in full right now as its time for me to go read ... then sleep ... Your question is a much welcome pause for me.

really quickly .... time running out here .......... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ............ Seriously I will have to think more --- A god that does not intervene seems toooooo mythilogical - but I understand why people would like to think we are not alone in the universe and that there is some kind of point to our existence - a point to all this suffering ............ depending on ones suffering I guess may alter the way one thinks and how deeply or shallow those thoughts may be.

I lean towards science but with a passion for wonder and a last ditch cry to accept what I will never know - in that yearning I guess I try to seek solace in Nature - but avoid all the froth and bubble I see in Naturalism as I understand that so far - too many people trying to anylize more than I care and fall into the same trap as religion with their theories and ways ...bla bla bla ---- but ...........damn time is up ........

I simply ponder from there .... I know I need to stop taking in all the shit that's constantly pumped out ...... I can't take any more of that ... it literally makes my head scream ........

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I think more in the morning ................. best I can do for now.

[Dahila]

ooooooooh Ponder. I am happy to hear that you were gentle with the doc. the third typing; it wanted to come as a cock:))
Curfew for you? You are in trouble D. What about the garden? It calmed you down, the gardening. I am struggling with it. I closed my eyes and got rid of half of my plants, I am changing the idea:)) again:)
You know that it is difficult for people not to have the believe. No one wants to feel lonely. Honestly; Australia and Us even Canada is closer with the churches and religions and all the bs to thirteen century. I do not mean to offend anyone.
The though that there is nothing, and no better life, not rewards just nothing is too much for people. We are chemical factory, and it stops working one day..

[Ponder]

Yea you know me - to busy nestled in my own roost to understand when people are having a go at me. Shame really. Just goes to show the hypocrisy I guess. Hopefully they might of learned something.

Moving On ...

The doc knows I don't mean to be so bent out of shape and it's not his fault why I am so bent out of shape. I think even the receptionist(s) takes heart that I am at least genuine and that my remorseful side always leaves a bridge trailing in my wake; with me standing there ready to great those that have bothered to follow up on me. LOL - I mean not to make excuses for my own arrogant and hateful side, I am simply saying that I do try and I see it is appreciated in the doctors surgery. I get tired of being an asshole 24/7. :)

Curfew - My wife helps me with a LOT of things. My short time memory is fried and whilst people think some of us are just plain lazy ... it's not as simple as that. Extreme Anxiety plagues my ability to retain a lot of things! Depression plays very much into that as well and whilst indeed the term lazy can be justifiably sort out of that equation ... the will not to live takes much from ones cognitive abilities. What day is it? Hmmmmmmmmmmm - Forget about not knowing dates of birth - or even my access number to check how many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I have in the bank ... I simply find all those things overwhelming. I allow my wife to set a curfew for my own good. whilst I think to myself "Fuck Societies way of watching the clock" - I do find it hard to stop my own mind from ticking. The curfew helps me and I love my wife dearly for helping me with things like that. It's Not about having a mother for a wife, but more a wife that cares enough to help me. I also let my wife manage my money as I am pretty useless with that too. I understand taking control and having responsibility is helpful, but the circumstances to my upbringing have me seeing differently to most sheeple. I am sure you can respect that Dahila or at least I think you understand where I am going with that. If I did not have my wife, I would be at the mercy of some old mans refuge, for fear of not being able to live on my own and an inability to manage as others do.

bla bla bla bla - I don't mind making the attempt to explain how that kind of works to a few struggling in here, however having to continually explain that to some welfare snotty nosed kid who is high on the power to cut your food and water - well - that just plague my congnative ability with outburts that often have me playing into their hands with intervention that just makes things worse. YET - when I can find my own space, I seem to heal in my own way and I can once again form words and sentences. Admittedly that Cycle of madness is warring me down and the length between the extremes is getting shorter with the extremes seeing more attempts on my life. That one I will take up with the psychologist tomorrow.

My anger shuts others out and I will have to watch that with whatever it is I blurt out. I kind of think of Pam now, as I have pretty much found Pam good for helping me think straight. I do hope Pam is OK?
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Hmmmmmmmm I hear ya Dahila .......... I think we all need to believe in something - I actually do believe in myself, but find it troubling that others can not see that. Seems no one is content unless they are worshiping someone else. SIGH - fuck all that shit anyways ...

What I am going to do today.

HEY - last night I had a scrub. - Was good to claw and scrape the weeks crust off - as well as brush the sand out of me bed. I mean - seriously ... this is how people should judge how well they are doing and not pine over all the online analysis and bs - "OMG what's this pimple on my ass" lol ... Doc told me I have to lose weight - that's a first for me ... hearing it from the doc made me think long and hard on that one. I guess that's why the crust began to itch last night. Ended up squeezing half a lemon with a table spoon of honey and warm water - Before than just washed my face in the shower then rubbed in some cheap Vitman E cream - I woke with my skin feeling much better. The lemon really helps so going to get back on that for a whiles.

Was unable to take the drone out yesterday - too winding ........ will try again today.

I got to do that video editing I did not get around too ......... Make some pocket money with that. I ended up getting another two additional batteries from the last Job I did - that's a plus I guess.

Spoke with a guy that is related to a kid that went through hat Hell Hole I have yelled and screamed about in a precious thread - Was glad I could confirm a few things for him. That's quite a few people now that have contacted me and sort whatever kind of solace they could. Not justifying my anger - but it does some times pay to get up and be fucking heard one way or the other, regardless of those who peg me for whatever nutter.

Will take a few breaths and pause to think on tomorrows meeting with the therapist. Can't help but look through such people with signs that say "if you miss your appointment you OWE us umpteen $$$$$" especially when you consider most of us types don't even know what fucking day it is and we go there thinking these people are able to help, not make things fucking worse!

Be well today Peoples! - Hang in there ... if your not sure about things - you could grab a rope, wrap it around your neck and pull really hard on each end - so hard and so long that you feel your eyes twitching and you get a good burn around you neck ... that was my most recent trip to the edge last week ... I kind of know I'm not going to kill myself - it's simply the next level of bashing my head - I do that too at times. It's not a nice place to be - but its better than Bull shiting others or [playing this pathetic game that this life seems to be.

Actually NO - don't do that! - That's my hang up - yet I know there are those quiet ones that come to visit this place and to afraid to say a thing. My thoughts go out to you. No matter if its cutting, slashing, beating yourself up or whatever ... I know what its like to live like that - to feel so much pain and unable to express where others can't see the real you (refuse to see the real you) - They are too busy seeing what they want to see and miss the picture completely. My mom did this with my Brother - it killed him in the end, although it's said it was his "choice" ... Pffft - lets not get into that.

These days one is required to act out to the extremes before one is seen - such a shame none of us are seen for who we are ... fuck all that popular shit that makes us look even worse ... time for me to go bush again ... I know I keep saying. No matter - I'll give the rope in the shed a break this time - was just a wake up call for me yet again ... to be fair ... it is safer than toying on the edge of a cliff and you can't tell me it's any better believing in fairies. I laugh to think how a welfare job assessor noted that perhaps it's worth noting that on the last job one was sent to, that another employee was bashed and the police called - This would be my eldest now roosting back here at home - He's on skitzo meds - gets called into mental health regularly - yet pushed so hard by these little fucking snobs ... My bro who's dead was skitzo too and I take the same similar meds - LOL - a different culture they say -

What's the point to that - Dysfunctional byproducts but who the fuck wants to delve into that - I guess my point is that I am sick of seeing my kids pushed into the corners like they are - I know their potential but it guts me to see how the system works like it does. The police can burst through our doors on a whim and drag anyone of us off to the hospital for compulsory medication and rough handling - yet on the other hand society claims these kids to be well adjusted and "why the fuck can't you hold of JOB - No money for you next week ... slap slap your a worthless human being.

Done and dusted - OK DICKHEADS - Allow me to do you the favor and I'll go kill myself. Very very fucking sad state of affairs that many out their actually would like many of us to go through and do such a thing.

Just telling it like it is currently is - in this barrel others think is so easy to simply crawl out of .... bla bla bla .............. Whatever the fuck you say.

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This is how people can come to be ---- "Oh how could one ever come to such a state - Oh how pathetic of such beings --- buck up and go get a job you lazy welfare suck" -

Ya see - what you get with that kind of mentality - is in fact - psychotics and the ones that can't kill themselves - one day go pop and kill a bunch of others - "Oh my - how could such a thing be possible"

- Oh MY Oh MY - where do these outburst come from??????

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Better out than In - that's my morning rant done. (no worry Dahila --- all is good - I take some more lemon. :) )

Cheers up ------------- Time for a fly ......... Back later.

[Dahila]

Yeah I know as long as you are pondering is good. When you keep quiet it worries me. Of course you can kind of function because you have a perfect company:) your wife. Just please do not punish yourself .......I had a hard time now for the last two weeks, praying to the moon and the sun and the stars to get a problem solved. Praying does not seem to work:(

[Ponder]

No It does not - You could always right a book about the patients you treated, put it on amazon and then advertise it an Anxiety forum. I can see how that one really helps to free up the stigma.

Finished with the yard for now - Time for more editing ...

Moving On.

[Dahila]

Oh yeah the book :)))))))))))))