Hello, Everyone. I'm new here and.....

[Take_A_Look_There]

....I'd like to tell you a little bit about me.

I’m in my early 40’s. For about 30 years, since my early teens, I had been researching areas of self-improvement and greater awareness and abilities. Throughout my teenage years, I spent time studying and receiving various things such as Hypnotism (both professionally delivered and self-delivered), Transcendental Meditation, Concentration techniques, Psychology, Yoga, Creative Visualization, etc., along with a very little pot and more than a little alcohol mixed in for good measure, LOL!

At age 17, I got involved with a religion/cult you may have heard of. After 24 years with them, I left in 2012. I had gotten benefit from it over the years, which is why I stayed as long as I did. The last few years, however, were rough and I eventually left; not broken, but certainly very disappointed and feeling overwhelmed that this was not the “it” I had thought it was and in which I had invested so much time and money. Add to that a few other life circumstances I was facing, certainly contributed to this “overwhelmed feeling”. I thought, and it certainly wasn’t completely out of the realm of possibility, that I’d lose my home, and many of my friends; simply based on the path I was going down. But I had my family that depended on me, so I kept at it and managed to somehow “keep the show on the road”.

So when I had time, I went back to searching again for answers and stumbled upon a subject called Idenics. Idenics purports to simply help a person handle their own “personal unwanted conditions” in life. Whatever a person had, or suffered from, that they wished to handle, change, get rid of, get over, improve upon, or let go of, this was what Idenics claimed to help with. And supposedly extremely quickly and easily as compared to other methods.

Naturally, having just come out of a group/cult that made similar claims (among others, LOL!), I was very skeptical. But I decided to try a session anyway because at that point, I felt I had nothing to lose; and the practitioner I contacted was offering a free session to try it. Well, low and behold, in just that one session, I handled this “general feeling of overwhelm” to my complete satisfaction. A home run, right out of the gate for me. What’s more, I had gotten almost as much personal improvement from just that one session as I had gotten in my 24 years with that other group/cult.

Having had such success, I then paid this practitioner for about 7 more sessions. I ended up, in about 2 to 3 months (since we would usually do just one session a week for a couple of hours), cleaning up all the immediate pressing concerns of my life. To say I was awestruck or dumbstruck by that experience and the fact of having received some real, effective help for a change, is not an overstatement. I no longer had any upsets or issues that lingered. I could finally face each day just as it came, and respond or react appropriately to whatever experience I encountered. Now, I can comfortably have and experience any emotion I need to, if the situation calls for it. And I’m no longer “stuck” with things. I can do what I need to do for myself and my family, and the friends I have and groups I’m a part of. Shit still happens in life. But I don’t get “stuck” with it or carry it around anymore. Once it’s done, it’s done. And I can let it go at that.

Having now gotten much relief from those sessions, I decided to try something bold for me.

I contacted my Idenics Practitioner and asked if there were a way I could learn to deliver it like he did. He told he would train me so that’s what we proceeded to do over the next 3 months. And I completed that back in April or May of last year. Since that time, I’ve worked with over 25 different people, delivering over 80 sessions in total; some to family, some to friends, and the rest to complete strangers.

Like my Practitioner, I start out by simply delivering a free session to anyone who wants it. Most of the sessions I’ve delivered to date have been free. I have some paying clients as well now; those who want to cover a variety of issues in their life over additional sessions.

I have always been searching for ways to help myself, and help those I care about. With Idenics, I’ve been able to accomplish that, and even help complete strangers as a wonderful bonus. Most of the sessions I deliver are done over the phone (or Skype) so I’ve got clients across the USA. I’ve worked successfully helping people deal with issues such as physical and sexual abuse, panic attacks, anxiety, eating disorders, sexual inadequacies, job issues, procrastination, love and relationship issues, addictions, fetishes, aches and pains, recovering from the death of loved ones, recovering from divorce, even a terror of bugs, and, of course, cult-recovery.

The work I do with Idenics is not any kind of talk therapy. I’m not a therapist. Really, all I do is ask questions and direct a person’s attention so that they, not me, take a look at their issue or problem in ways they never have before. That seems to be the magic because when their unwanted condition is viewed from the right viewpoint (according to the client not the Practitioner), the condition ceases to exist being in control of the person’s life. A return of freedom of choice and self-determinism is most often the result.

It’s terribly simple, and unbelievably effective, compared to my prior experiences. I’ve worked with and have helped people who had carried issues with them for years and even decades. A full one-half of my clients have been through traditional therapy systems, or have taken or do take prescribed drugs, or both; some for weeks and some for years. I guess they contacted me because whatever it was they were doing previously just wasn’t working for them and they were willing to try something different.

For me, being a provisional Idenics Practitioner, has enabled me to become very humble. I know I don’t have any answers or solutions or ideas that can “make it all better”. But I do know how to give some real help and hope by simply asking the right questions and directing another’s attention. It’s helped me be much more understanding and empathetic towards people, a much more loving husband and father, and has left me with a greater sense of our mutual connectedness.

So that’s my story, and I appreciate you letting me share it here. If I can answer any questions for anyone about my experiences, I’d be more than happy to.

Lastly, I just want to say that I wish the very best for all of you on your individual roads to recovery and self-discovery. :)

[GeneAllen]

Welcome,

Enjoy the forum. You're very articulate and easy to read. So tell me what is Idenics? In your words, describe it in as much detail as you can. I'm all ears.

Again, welcome and thanks. Peace

[GeneAllen]

Idenics. As in Scientology?

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?324-What-is-Idenics

A tidbit I found. Peace

[jessed03]

Scientology is an amazing religion.

I can't comment on it's practices as I've never been a part of it, but it's marketing, PR and sales techniques are top notch :)

Just look at this info page, compared to that toshtaos attempt!

[Dahila]

auditing in scientology is something I could not believe when I started to read the books by people who succesfully got out of church, The abuse of power, is incredible. Parents give children to "boarding school" which is really work camp.....:

[Take_A_Look_There]

Welcome,

Enjoy the forum. You're very articulate and easy to read. So tell me what is Idenics? In your words, describe it in as much detail as you can. I'm all ears.

Again, welcome and thanks. Peace

Hi, Gene. Thanks so much for the warm welcome and for your question.

To explain what Idenics is, let’s start with where the word, “Idenics” came from. The name for this method came from word “Identity”. The way we use the word, “Identity”, is simply a way of being in order to accomplish something.

It’s easily seen that we all have different ways of being in life, i.e. spouse, parent, sibling, relative, employee, boss, socialite, friend, enemy, student, caretaker, etc. Throughout our day and lives, we generally switch in and out of these various “Identities” without a second thought. For example, when we’re at home with the spouse and kids, it’s easy to be “spouse” or “parent” (well, relatively speaking!). Then when we leave home to go to work we’re being “driver” or “car pooler” or “transit rider” or “walker” or “biker”. Then we get to work and we’re being “employee” or “boss”, or “water cooler gossiper”, etc. Then at lunch we go out and we’re being “diner” or “customer” with our friends so we’re also being “friendly co-worker”; and then to advance to the end of the day when we get back home, we’re back to being “parent”, “spouse”, “dishwasher”, “Mr. or Mrs. Fix it”, “disciplinarian”, etc.

These various identities or ways of being are most often easily assumed and set aside throughout our day. We shift into and out of them without thought and without much problem associated with them. In Idenics, we don’t bother with an identity that a person can easily assume and set aside; where they’ve already got the power of choice to be that way or not. It’s an, “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it”, kind of a thing.

What we work on using the Idenics application is what the person is “stuck” being or suffering with. And by “stuck” I just mean the person is being that way without really noticing that it’s not really them. They therefore cannot shut it on and off at will, like other, easier ways of being. They may not know how it started or what keeps it in place, or how to stop it or set it aside if they no longer want to be that way. This could be such identities as “depressed person”, or “angry guy”, or “emotional wreck”; or as I cited in my opening post, I was being the guy who was “overwhelmed by life” before I had my first Idenics session.

So it’s these stuck ways of being that we address with Idenics. People express these as their “personal unwanted conditions” that they want to handle, change, get rid of, resolve or improve upon. It could be unwanted feelings, emotions, ideas, compulsions, etc. Experience with many clients has taught me that anything under the sun can be addressed in a session. The thinking goes that any unwanted condition is simply a property of some “identity” that one has assumed, but cannot seem to let go. A person somehow gets stuck being that way to a greater or lesser degree in life. And they don’t like it simply because it makes living life rather difficult when one is always sad, angry, depressed, fixed with ideas or compulsions, etc.

Well, how the heck did the person get stuck? And how do they get unstuck?

As I mentioned, the idea is that at any given moment, we’re being or assuming some identity. And while doing so, we sometimes encounter something in life that interrupts our normal intentions or expectations of what we think should be happening while we’re “being that particular way”. If that interruption is enough of a blow or shock to us that it actually becomes a complete disruption of our expectations, i.e. a “confusion”, then the way we’re being up to that point is ill equipped to handle that curve ball that life has thrown at us. So, we handle that confusion by simply shifting into a different way of being. Well, big deal. We shift, and then when the emergency or whatever it was is over, we simply go back to the way we were being, or move on to something else, right? Well, not always….

In or around that shift, all kinds of things can get locked up for a person, and the person might then end up being “stuck” acting or behaving or feeling that way thereafter, to a greater or lesser degree in life. This is where all those unwanted things get stuck and seem to go on automatic for the person. And the person is left with being unable to be any other way than depressed or anxious or upset, or acting inappropriately, etc.

Now, confusions are a very individual matter and are completely variable from person to person, and even from unwanted condition to unwanted condition with the same person. It is what the person says it is in that circumstance. It could be something big like a heart-attack, or a divorce, or a death. Or it could be something seemingly innocuous, like simply being looked or stared at by someone, or seeing an accident from a distance on the freeway, or simply slipping and falling on ice. It doesn’t matter how big or small the confusion is. Just that it IS the confusion for that person. Only that person can say what the confusion is for them.

And so, what I do as an Idenics Practitioner is simply ask questions and direct attention so that the person I work with can inspect what happened, and how they responded. When we get down to it, all we’re really dealing with in Idenics is the person’s stuck response or reaction to what happened in their life; nothing more, nothing less.

All their hidden or pent up ideas or notions or feelings or decisions all get inspected. This is often done by getting the person to take a look at the situation from various angles or viewpoints. Doing so helps separate what may have originally felt like a bill ball of junk, into an easily seen display of paperclips, tissue, rubber bands, lint, etc. And seeing things as they simply are is the “magic” which tends to lessen or eliminate the hold on the person thereafter. Then the person discovers that they can simply let it all go if they want. They don’t have to continue feeling, thinking or doing things that way unless they want to. If successful, they’ll have restored their power of choice and perhaps experience a restoration of, or even an increase in, their self-confidence in life.

But I can’t and don’t make any guarantees to the person I work with except to do the very best job of which I’m capable. Whatever the end result is, only the person can say. And if we reach it, they’ll know it because most likely, their attention will no longer be stuck on that unwanted condition.

Lastly, it can be easily seen that since no one lived that person’s life and had their exact experiences, no one else has that person’s judgment, ideas, viewpoints, etc. With that firmly in mind, in Idenics, we don’t offer advice, suggestions, evaluations, solutions, or handlings. We just get the person to look at their issue as they need to until they resolve the whole thing by themselves. If they got themselves stuck with a particular response or reaction, then through the proper inspection, they can get themselves unstuck. Sometimes this happens in one session, and other times it takes multiple sessions. But it doesn’t take anywhere near as long as other systems or therapies I’ve been exposed to. Many of the clients I’ve had the pleasure to work with have told me as much as well.

There’s more to it than that, but that’s my quick summary. I hope that helps some and I’ll do my best to answer other questions you may have. Thanks again for the welcome. :)

[Take_A_Look_There]

Idenics. As in Scientology?

Thank you for bringing that up. The truth is Idenics doesn't stem from Scientology.

It is true that John Galusha, the man who researched and pioneered Idenics, was a member of the Church of Scientology in the 1950's. However, he was a researcher in his own right on the human condition, and had been researching this area before he got involved with Scientology, and then for many decades after.

Dianetics and Scientology, at least some of the "counseling" methods, are based on the earlier works of Psychology and Freudian analysis, as well as others; but did attempt to take these techniques further.

Likewise, John Galusha's knowledge of Scientology, and other self-help systems and the human condition in general, did result in major breakthroughs that took the subject of "help" and put it on a whole new level of workability with Idenics. Whatever Scientology did, or whatever help it offered, Idenics does far, far more for an individual. It simply cuts to the chase and ignores all the additives or speculations or theories.

In fact, John Galusha eventually discarded all of his Scientology material because he found it took a person down the wrong path. Namely, Scientology is geared toward you running out your “case” (problems or issues) only according to what L. Ron Hubbard had determined was true for everyone.

It’s the complete opposite with Idenics. Only you have all the answers to resolve your issues in life. And Idenics is simply a tool used to help you find those answers for yourself, in ways different from all other standard therapies, -ologies, or what have you.

I hope that helps.

[Take_A_Look_There]

A tidbit I found. Peace

The link you found, Gene, will take you to a thread on the Ex-Scientologist message board that is called, “What is Idenics”. It's found in a special section of that website called, "Human Potential, self discovery outside and beyond Scientology".

That particular thread forum is geared towards ex-Scientologists who are looking for possibly two things. One, to recover from Scientology; and two, those who are still interested in overcoming their personal unwanted conditions without all the arbitraries that are contained in Scientology.

It's also used by ex-Scientologists to share their experiences after receiving Idenics; and comparing and contrasting the differences between Scientology and Idenics.

[Take_A_Look_There]

Scientology is an amazing religion.

I can't comment on it's practices as I've never been a part of it, but it's marketing, PR and sales techniques are top notch :)

Just look at this info page, compared to that toshtaos attempt!

Yes, it's hard to beat its over-the-top attempt at marketing. Much of it is misinformation at best, but it sure looks pretty.

And the sales techniques are as hard-core as you’ll probably ever see. "Relentless" and “Vicious” are words that come to mind. You get to deal with such late night treats as non-stop phone calls or unannounced “visits” to your home or place of work. And if you don’t submit, oops, I mean, contribute, you might receive threats of expulsion from the Church, loss of your eternal spiritual freedom, and disconnection from friends, family and associates.

I mean, who could resist that?????? LOL!

It takes an awful lot of personal fortitude to walk away. To come to the realization that you’ve been duped. To try to pick up the pieces and move on.

It takes even more guts to publically share your experience. Because then you might be subjected to Scientology’s "Fair Game" policy, which is designed to "trick, sue or lie to you", among other sordid and nasty things. This “policy” might also include airing your personal "priest/penitent" file to various people in an attempted smear campaign against you.

The above, among many other things, is why their current PR in the minds of the general public has never been as low as it is now.

[Take_A_Look_There]

auditing in scientology is something I could not believe when I started to read the books by people who succesfully got out of church, The abuse of power, is incredible. Parents give children to "boarding school" which is really work camp.....:

From personal experience, I can tell you that there is some workability in Scientology "auditing".

In theory, any therapy or system, etc. can potentially have some benefit. If a person is interested in cleaning up issues in their life, any type of questioning or process that can get a person to take some sort of look at the problem might offer at least some sort of relief.

But having been through Scientology's version of "help", and then later finding and working with Idenics, I can tell you it's not remotely necessary to commit to Scientology's many long years of study and the outlaying of potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to get some "answers".

Not by a long shot.

[jessed03]

When you consider Scientology, and the dysfunction and secrecy within the Scientology church, and where it originated from, you've gotta be pretty business minded to turn that into a multi billion dollar, multinational company :), I suppose something with so many obvious shortcomings had to begin to have problems sooner or later..but my remarks were kind of tongue in cheek, so I hope it didn't offend anyone associated with the church. I confess I don't know too about about the religion at all!

Thank you for a detailed reply! I've never heard of what you talk about, so thanks for filling me in. I've found a lot of what you talk about through meditation, but I can imagine those that don't or can't get into that, can be helped with other therapies that bring a casual awareness to certain problems.

To be honest, the horror stories I've heard from people regarding therapists, I'd probably be tempted to take a softer approach to treatment if there were any issues I wanted to resolve.

I gave that forum you talked about a google. I wasn't sure if it was the right one, but now you've mentioned it, I'll take a browse through, just out of interest. It most certainly does take a lot of guts to walk away from Scientology especially if you went there to begin with in a vulnerable state.

I didn't know that about the airing personal priest files. That's a little bit naughty! :)

Take care

[GeneAllen]

Hi, Gene. Thanks so much for the warm welcome and for your question.

To explain what Idenics is, let’s start with where the word, “Idenics” came from. The name for this method came from word “Identity”. The way we use the word, “Identity”, is simply a way of being in order to accomplish something.

It’s easily seen that we all have different ways of being in life, i.e. spouse, parent, sibling, relative, employee, boss, socialite, friend, enemy, student, caretaker, etc. Throughout our day and lives, we generally switch in and out of these various “Identities” without a second thought. For example, when we’re at home with the spouse and kids, it’s easy to be “spouse” or “parent” (well, relatively speaking!). Then when we leave home to go to work we’re being “driver” or “car pooler” or “transit rider” or “walker” or “biker”. Then we get to work and we’re being “employee” or “boss”, or “water cooler gossiper”, etc. Then at lunch we go out and we’re being “diner” or “customer” with our friends so we’re also being “friendly co-worker”; and then to advance to the end of the day when we get back home, we’re back to being “parent”, “spouse”, “dishwasher”, “Mr. or Mrs. Fix it”, “disciplinarian”, etc.

These various identities or ways of being are most often easily assumed and set aside throughout our day. We shift into and out of them without thought and without much problem associated with them. In Idenics, we don’t bother with an identity that a person can easily assume and set aside; where they’ve already got the power of choice to be that way or not. It’s an, “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it”, kind of a thing.

What we work on using the Idenics application is what the person is “stuck” being or suffering with. And by “stuck” I just mean the person is being that way without really noticing that it’s not really them. They therefore cannot shut it on and off at will, like other, easier ways of being. They may not know how it started or what keeps it in place, or how to stop it or set it aside if they no longer want to be that way. This could be such identities as “depressed person”, or “angry guy”, or “emotional wreck”; or as I cited in my opening post, I was being the guy who was “overwhelmed by life” before I had my first Idenics session.

So it’s these stuck ways of being that we address with Idenics. People express these as their “personal unwanted conditions” that they want to handle, change, get rid of, resolve or improve upon. It could be unwanted feelings, emotions, ideas, compulsions, etc. Experience with many clients has taught me that anything under the sun can be addressed in a session. The thinking goes that any unwanted condition is simply a property of some “identity” that one has assumed, but cannot seem to let go. A person somehow gets stuck being that way to a greater or lesser degree in life. And they don’t like it simply because it makes living life rather difficult when one is always sad, angry, depressed, fixed with ideas or compulsions, etc.

Well, how the heck did the person get stuck? And how do they get unstuck?

As I mentioned, the idea is that at any given moment, we’re being or assuming some identity. And while doing so, we sometimes encounter something in life that interrupts our normal intentions or expectations of what we think should be happening while we’re “being that particular way”. If that interruption is enough of a blow or shock to us that it actually becomes a complete disruption of our expectations, i.e. a “confusion”, then the way we’re being up to that point is ill equipped to handle that curve ball that life has thrown at us. So, we handle that confusion by simply shifting into a different way of being. Well, big deal. We shift, and then when the emergency or whatever it was is over, we simply go back to the way we were being, or move on to something else, right? Well, not always….

In or around that shift, all kinds of things can get locked up for a person, and the person might then end up being “stuck” acting or behaving or feeling that way thereafter, to a greater or lesser degree in life. This is where all those unwanted things get stuck and seem to go on automatic for the person. And the person is left with being unable to be any other way than depressed or anxious or upset, or acting inappropriately, etc.

Now, confusions are a very individual matter and are completely variable from person to person, and even from unwanted condition to unwanted condition with the same person. It is what the person says it is in that circumstance. It could be something big like a heart-attack, or a divorce, or a death. Or it could be something seemingly innocuous, like simply being looked or stared at by someone, or seeing an accident from a distance on the freeway, or simply slipping and falling on ice. It doesn’t matter how big or small the confusion is. Just that it IS the confusion for that person. Only that person can say what the confusion is for them.

And so, what I do as an Idenics Practitioner is simply ask questions and direct attention so that the person I work with can inspect what happened, and how they responded. When we get down to it, all we’re really dealing with in Idenics is the person’s stuck response or reaction to what happened in their life; nothing more, nothing less.

All their hidden or pent up ideas or notions or feelings or decisions all get inspected. This is often done by getting the person to take a look at the situation from various angles or viewpoints. Doing so helps separate what may have originally felt like a bill ball of junk, into an easily seen display of paperclips, tissue, rubber bands, lint, etc. And seeing things as they simply are is the “magic” which tends to lessen or eliminate the hold on the person thereafter. Then the person discovers that they can simply let it all go if they want. They don’t have to continue feeling, thinking or doing things that way unless they want to. If successful, they’ll have restored their power of choice and perhaps experience a restoration of, or even an increase in, their self-confidence in life.

But I can’t and don’t make any guarantees to the person I work with except to do the very best job of which I’m capable. Whatever the end result is, only the person can say. And if we reach it, they’ll know it because most likely, their attention will no longer be stuck on that unwanted condition.

Lastly, it can be easily seen that since no one lived that person’s life and had their exact experiences, no one else has that person’s judgment, ideas, viewpoints, etc. With that firmly in mind, in Idenics, we don’t offer advice, suggestions, evaluations, solutions, or handlings. We just get the person to look at their issue as they need to until they resolve the whole thing by themselves. If they got themselves stuck with a particular response or reaction, then through the proper inspection, they can get themselves unstuck. Sometimes this happens in one session, and other times it takes multiple sessions. But it doesn’t take anywhere near as long as other systems or therapies I’ve been exposed to. Many of the clients I’ve had the pleasure to work with have told me as much as well.

There’s more to it than that, but that’s my quick summary. I hope that helps some and I’ll do my best to answer other questions you may have. Thanks again for the welcome. :)

Thank you for taking the time to explain this. Much appreciated. I'll admit I'm skeptical of anything related to religions. I am familiar with a few, and I also know at the same time

they all have truth within them, it's just when they get wrapped up (like a burrito) in a non truth to obfuscate the true intentions. Anything can be used wisely, and for good. however

dogma seldom frees anyone, long term. I like it though it's interesting stuff. All the contrast, it helps me have choices, and shows me what I do not prefer as well. Peace

[Take_A_Look_There]

Thank you for taking the time to explain this. Much appreciated. I'll admit I'm skeptical of anything related to religions.

I'm not sure if you mentioned "religions" because of the fact that the guy who put together Idenics was once a Scientologist back in the 50's, but I answered how Idenics is nothing like Scientology in an earlier post, in case you missed it.

But just to be clear, Idenics is not a religion or even religious, nor does it have any relation to such things. The clients I've worked with to date have been Ex-Scientologists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, some one other Eastern-type religion that I can't recall, Agnostics and Atheists. But we never touched on the subject of God, a supreme being or any type of belief system or worship.

Because it's such an evolutionary leap in the area of self-help, it's often easier to define by what it is not. Idenics is also not hypnotism; nor is it anything like talk therapy. It requires no belief, no indoctrination, no coaching, no memorization, no lengthy training, no pre-conceived levels to ascend, no time consuming study, no contemplation, no meditating, no daily affirmations, no worship, etc.

You could call it anything you like, maybe, to separate it out from anything else. Maybe, "20 questions", or "Get the Monkeys off my back", or some other thing. Really, it just involves a practitioner asking questions and directing a client's attention toward the area they want to address. And the client then following through by having a look at that area. In Idenics, there's nothing like, "This is the way life and the universe is, blah, blah, blah....."

Idenics is a complete alternative to therapy. And it works very quickly and efficiently to help one overcome their personal unwanted conditions.

And, you're very welcome. I'm happy to answer any questions and hope they help clear up any confusions or unknowns.

[GeneAllen]

No I was just saying what I prefer to stay free of. You're cool with me. I did research the guy who introduced idenics and his association with the ology. I would in no way want to throw a blanket over it and all say BS. That's ridiculous and who am I to make a declaration like that? There are choices, and I'm thankful they exist. Even the ologies, they serve a purpose until they don't. Just like religions. All is well.
Peace

[Take_A_Look_There]

When you consider Scientology, and the dysfunction and secrecy within the Scientology church, and where it originated from, you've gotta be pretty business minded to turn that into a multi billion dollar, multinational company :), I suppose something with so many obvious shortcomings had to begin to have problems sooner or later..but my remarks were kind of tongue in cheek, so I hope it didn't offend anyone associated with the church. I confess I don't know too about about the religion at all!

Thank you for a detailed reply! I've never heard of what you talk about, so thanks for filling me in. I've found a lot of what you talk about through meditation, but I can imagine those that don't or can't get into that, can be helped with other therapies that bring a casual awareness to certain problems.

To be honest, the horror stories I've heard from people regarding therapists, I'd probably be tempted to take a softer approach to treatment if there were any issues I wanted to resolve.

I gave that forum you talked about a google. I wasn't sure if it was the right one, but now you've mentioned it, I'll take a browse through, just out of interest. It most certainly does take a lot of guts to walk away from Scientology especially if you went there to begin with in a vulnerable state.

I didn't know that about the airing personal priest files. That's a little bit naughty! :)

Take care

Thanks for the response.

Personally, I wouldn’t worry about your offending anyone associated with the Church of Scientology. The last place anyone still in good standing with the Church would visit would be a website like this. This is because psychiatry, psychotherapy, psychology and related subjects are considered “evil” by Scientology and Scientologists.

Besides which, Scientology coerces its members to avoid the internet or web forums in general. This is to keep the parishioners only focused on what’s for the benefit of Scientology. Going on line, or looking for answers outside of the corporate Church, might pop or put a crack in that “bubble”. That’s just how it is nowadays. Looking elsewhere for answers, according to them, places you in grave risk of losing your “eternity”.

(Side note: It’s funny to even be typing these words. I keep laughing at the ridiculousness of what Scientology has become. If they just left it as a type of self-help people were welcome to try, it would have maybe been OK. After all, it wasn’t this crazy, hard-core cult when I first got involved in 1988; at least to me. Back then, it was more fun and occasionally enlightening. I didn’t go there in a vulnerable state. I went there because they were heavily promoting the idea that “Scientology makes the able, more able.” That’s the “cheese”, or the “hook”, that got me in initially. In fact, there used to be a saying, “If it isn’t fun, it isn’t Scientology”. Now, some exes I know say, “If it isn’t cruel, it isn’t Scientology”, LOL! And the airing of the personnel files is but one of the “dirty tricks” they’ve pulled over the years against the “disaffected” or “perceived enemies”.)

I’ve likewise heard some horror stories about traditional therapists as well. About one half of the people I’ve worked with using Idenics have now come to me after working with other traditional therapists or counselors. I’ve heard some doozies from some of them, which ended up making their condition worse, and added some other unwanted issues as well. And with some other clients, traditional therapy just didn’t help much, if at all, according to them; or the doctor just gave a 10-second diagnosis of “bi-polar” or “manic”, etc., and wrote a prescription. Obviously, I'm fully aware that I'm getting the clients that traditional therapy couldn't or didn't help.

As regards Idenics, I want to be clear that we don’t just help bring a casual awareness to certain problems. When I work with a client, I ask direct, targeted questions and direct their attention in such a way that they can get right in there and pluck that “thorn” out that’s maybe ruining or upsetting to them. If a person has something to handle that they really want to get rid of, they’d much rather have it gone sooner rather than later. Using the techniques and application of Idenics, an unwanted condition or problem is usually handled to the satisfaction of the client in as little as one or just a few sessions.

It’s because it’s so beneficial, quick and life changing that I love working with people and delivering this to them. And I know there are so many alternatives out there nowadays, which is why I always personally deliver a free session to anyone who wants it. This gives the person the chance to see if it could work for them, and gives me a chance to see if I want to work with that person, i.e. if I can be of good service to them.

Lastly, there's one other thing I want to mention about that Ex-Scientology forum. Because the vast majority of posters and readers are ex-Scientologists, there's lots of Church jargon used that may not make a heck of a lot of sense to someone who hasn’t been properly “indoctrinated”, LOL!

Again, thanks for the comments. I hope my follow-up has been helpful.

[Take_A_Look_There]

No I was just saying what I prefer to stay free of. You're cool with me. I did research the guy who introduced idenics and his association with the ology. I would in no way want to throw a blanket over it and all say BS. That's ridiculous and who am I to make a declaration like that? There are choices, and I'm thankful they exist. Even the ologies, they serve a purpose until they don't. Just like religions. All is well.
Peace

Got it, thanks Gene.

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Whilst you're here, just to divert a teeny weeny bit..

T.A.L.T - have you ever tried dianetics? It has some things in it that sound kind of sensical (once you get beyond some of the bizarre things L Hubbards claims it can do ie cure infertility)

I mean, the laws of attraction are pretty popular now, and I imagine getting 'your energy' into a better place may be helpful to some people.

Again my knowledge is simply internet based :)

For the first time ever I saw Scientologists at my local mall in London with a stand set up and the machines used offering free consultations. I was very tempted to try out of pure curiosity, but was in a rush!!

I also felt kind of Hollywood!

[GeneAllen]

Where's Tom Cruise when we need him. I'm on fire!!! Peace

[Take_A_Look_There]

Where's Tom Cruise when we need him. I'm on fire!!! Peace

LOL! ;) :lol:

[Take_A_Look_There]

Whilst you're here, just to divert a teeny weeny bit..

T.A.L.T - have you ever tried dianetics? It has some things in it that sound kind of sensical (once you get beyond some of the bizarre things L Hubbards claims it can do ie cure infertility)

I mean, the laws of attraction are pretty popular now, and I imagine getting 'your energy' into a better place may be helpful to some people.

Again my knowledge is simply internet based :)

For the first time ever I saw Scientologists at my local mall in London with a stand set up and the machines used offering free consultations. I was very tempted to try out of pure curiosity, but was in a rush!!

I also felt kind of Hollywood!

In Dianetics, L. Ron Hubbard’s premise was that the major thing wrong with a person was his “reactive mind” which consisted of mental image pictures of pain and unconsciousness. The theory goes that these pictures react upon an individual from time to time when outside influences “restimulate” some content contained in this “reactive mind”. (Dianetics is actually based on an even older therapy technique called abreactive therapy that LRH copied from.) Dianetics therapy involves locating these supposed incidents and recounting them over and over and over again until they lose their force or hold on the individual. When the entirety of the reactive mind is erased, a person is considered “Clear”, a Homo Novus, or “New Man”, who is basically perfect.

(Because those “Cleared” via Dianetics did not live up to the promises made in the original 1950 version of the book, Ron later changed theories. In the mid 1960’s, Hubbard settled instead on some very bizarre things that he decided were more the cause of man’s troubles than just a “reactive mind”. But that’s another story which “Google” (or a special “South Park” episode!) can help you locate. And so, Dianetics still has a part to play in Scientology, but it’s been replaced by bigger and crazier theories.)

To answer your question, yes I had received Dianetics auditing while involved with the Church. It has some workability. It’s long, slow and arduous at times, but does have workability. Because of its workability and some other things I found workable at the time, I stayed as long as I did in Scientology.

Now in Idenics, no claim is made as to what type of incident or occasion must be a “confusion” for a person. It can be conscious or unconscious; or anything at all. Only the person can know what that might be for them.

And, that “confusion” is just one small piece of the puzzle. The theory, questions, procedures and application of Idenics can help a person locate all the other missing pieces very quickly and easily. So Idenics when compared to Dianetics or Scientology is like the differences between day and night. Instead of stumbling around in the dark forever hoping to find those car keys you dropped, why not just shine a big flashlight and locate them quickly and easily?

In terms of speed and effectiveness of Idenics versus Dianetics, I’d say a good comparison is to first think of having to cut down a very large tree. And let’s say you had two tools at your disposal to get the job done: a high-powered chain saw and a dull pocket knife. Idenics would be the high-powered chain saw that will help take that tree down in a few hours, if that.

Dianetics would be like using the dull pocket knife. You may eventually get it done, or you may not. But if you work and work and work until you do take that tree down, you’ll discover it took maybe hundreds and hundreds of hours to do so with that pocket knife. I suppose the same could hold true for various types of traditional therapy, in that they can often involve years of work as well, but don’t always resolve the unwanted condition either.

Lastly, I just want to add that many Scientologists are very decent, kind and caring people. At least most were that I knew when I started out. I’ve also experienced a few bad apples in the bunch, and have heard my share of horror stories as well. Over time, in the corporate Church, things have become much more militant, and things are getting worse. Many that are still in simply don’t know the full scam that’s being perpetrated on them. So if you come across a Scientologist, just know they’ve simply been duped or lied to, to a greater or lesser degree, and most likely have not have woken up to this yet. But they do put on a nice show now and again.

I hope that helps. 

[Take_A_Look_There]

Since I commented on how Scientology is nothing like Idenics in regards to the process and application, I thought I'd share something a recent ex-Scientologist sent to me after we worked together. Prior to this, she had gotten out of Scientology rather broken up and damaged inside.

Before she came to me, she had gone to seek professional help. She was given a 10-second diagnosis of something or other, and prescribed prozac. She took these for a week or two; found they didn't work, and so stopped. Then, she went to see a liscensed therapist who specialized in "cult recovery". After a little while into the first session, she walked out. She told me the therapist was only interested in all the secrets of Scientology, not in actually helping her to recover from the abuse she had suffered.

When she was on her last legs, she asked for help on another website I frequent. I reached out to her with a simple offer to give her a free session or sessions, in an effort to assist if I could. I did this because I always wanted to help, and I, myself, had been helped with a free Idencis session when I started out. I enjoy helping and wanted to "pass it along".

Though the majority of the people I work with today suffer from any number of anxieties, phobias, loss, abuse, giving up, "end of my rope", etc. type issues, there have been more than a handful that I have now successfully worked with on their personal "cult recovery" issues. It hasn't been just recovering from Scientology. It has also been recovering from some supposed Christian groups that turned out to be closer to cults themselves. That was a little wake up call for me; to realize that however bad Scientology may be, there are other groups (and individuals) just waiting out there to pounce on vulnerable people. It's really rather sickening....but I'll get off that soap box for now.

It's because I do enjoy helping and know it's so difficult to find good help these days, I always offer that free session to anyone who wants to try it out to see if it can help them with their particular problem or issue.

Idenics can't help everybody. This is because it requires a person's willingness; their willingness to look where directed to find their own hidden answers. This is completely a team effort: The person I'm working with and me. My part is to ask the right questions; their part is to look for the answers. It sounds really easy, doesn't it? In fact, it is! Another client (not mine) once wrote, "There is one difficulty with Idenics though; that it's too simple, and too effective, and a little elusive, people have a hard time believing it can possibly work."

I tell my clients that I won't ever give up, if they don't give up. But using Idenics cannot help a person if they're unable or unwilling to take a look where directed and answer some fairly simple questions.

With that understanding in place, I have thankfully been able to help the vast majority of people I've worked with so they resolved whatever it was that was keeping them stuck in life; whether that was unwanted feelings, emotions, actions or behavior.

I have had my share of clients who wanted to try it simply because it is free, with no strings attached. When I've started with a person, they sometimes feel that whatever it is we'll do in a session probably won't work. This is because they've "been down this road before" of seeking help from any number of counselors, therapists or other professionals. But they often ended up with little or nothing to show for it; as in, they were left still suffering with their condition. People often feel that "it's just me" or "it's just how I am" and it can't or won't change, no matter what they try. So they then think they'll just have to figure out a way to live with it, or deal with it, or cope with it thereafter in life. And that entire thought process is completely, 100%, understandable and rational, because they know they have not been helped to any marked degree previously.

But the truth is that doesn't have to be the case at all. Using Idenics can help free a person from whatever unwanted condition troubles them (assuming it's not something actually caused by a physical defieciency, accident or abnormality). Sometimes this happens in as little as one session. Other times, it takes two or more sessions.

So with that preamble, here's what a recent client sent me. I probably don't have to tell you how wonderful reading this made me feel inside. I was simply overjoyed for them. Especially since I had been trying for 25 years to find a quick, easy and efficient way to assist another.

Hopefully this will give an additional idea or understanding of the fact that Scientology and Idenics are worlds apart.

"Dear (Take_A_Look_There),

Thank you so much for reaching out to me. I can't express in words alone how healing your communication has been and then to have some sessions with you with your caring and loving way really provided some very effective help.

I have been praying for this kind of help and God led me to you. I am extremely grateful you are providing the service. Thank you for making it easy to experience and within reach.

I have lived many years and have never met anyone who is so unconditionally loving, truly sincere and real and has such a strong desire to help. Scientology was cruel and inhumane. Idenics is simple and precise. You are gentle, kind and compassionate. It is so true that my sessions with you were everything I had hoped Scientology would be -- but it never was. The differences between the two are profoundly different.

Thank you for restoring my hope in mankind.

A HUGE HUG....(name withheld)"


Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope you found something of value in it.

[Take_A_Look_There]

Hello Everyone,

It’s been over two months since I posted here so I thought I’d give a quick update. I’ve spent some time working with new clients this year and that has kept things busy and interesting for me, as well as very beneficial for those I’ve been working with.

One of my recent clients sent me the following after our first session together:

“I decided to try a session with Lucas (Take_A_Look_There) because of my current issue with weight loss. I had tried every diet in the book and still could not get a handle on the issue.

“Within our first session, with his direction I was able to see that my weight loss stemmed from something far deeper. As a result of me trying to bury those issues and act as if they were not still emotionally bothering me, I instead used food as a way to comfort me. I realized that this was one of the main reasons for me to overeat and gain weight which has effected my health.

“During our session there were tears shed which was a cleansing for me. At the end of our session, I walked away not only feeling a sense of peace but also the issue that I had buried was addressed and put to rest. It is no longer an issue that controls my life."

The above session ran a little over 2 hours total. Through the simple and precise procedure of Idenics, this client was able to successfully handle this unwanted condition that they had been struggling with for years.