BEYOND BRETHING - Understadning the process.

[Ponder]

I'd like to share a link from a Guru that I consider genuine in his attempt to help others. I admit that I do not like the hype and programing associated with AKA "concepts" however I do gleen much from this man.

The following is Titled "When Anxiety & Fear arises; A Powerful Way to Enter the Present"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hytR7xRqPI4

It's just a 6 minute segment from a larger piece. For me, I get a lot more than just how to enter the present, because I have read much much more material from this guy. I'm a sensory guy and when it comes to being present, I can assimilate huge amounts of what is going on around me, yet feel much peace in doing that having practiced much of what the presenter is talking about. (If I don't, it all becomes loud static)

No doubt I have my moments and currently going through some stress now - but by going over these principles I always seem to ground myself. For me it's so much more than the breathing, I really like to understand how all this kind of thing works, how the mind works and how surrendering works, how to become the observer and let go of the fear - ANXIETY - how to stop feeding the anxiety and how to just See it without labeling it or assessing - how to stop fussing of it, projecting and playing it out, how to see it for what it is and also to just accept how I am feeling about it -

To stand or sit without fear whilst all else is falling apart - yet to have the ability to avoid those crashing issues because one no longer feeds into it, but sees where to step and can slowly make their way out of the building out into safety.

Well, that's how this stuff is able to make me avoid the crowds and keep walking. I may not participate - but for me, that's being free. ;)

[Ponder]

I think some people don't like the message because it's a rude awaking to the Ego/The thinking mind - The useless thinking. In that sense it is not uncommon the "we" tend to cling to our pain. We have been feeding the ego for so long, that we have made ourselves dependant by doing so. The idea of letting go - tends to upset the mind all the more - so whilst at first it can be easy to breath - the technique does not work until people understand how it is that the mind seeks to control in the first place.

It's why despite knowing this stuff, my mind still takes control in many of my posts. I accept that - hopefully sharing this will help me get back on track.

Take care - dinner time. ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Dahila]

Unfortunately the video is not longer available. I know this stuff too and I have not control over my thoughts without the meds...:( sad
I need to change it.

[Ponder]

Well Well - such positive information now no longer available. Not exactly funny how they do that - and it's why I love TORRENTS! pffffft - is it not pathetic how they try and sell information with sign ups and such wonderful affiliations that spread the news, but yet -> for a price - but wait, there is more - keep reading - la la laaaaaaaaaa

I understand what you mean well about the med - No one responds to me when I talk about such reliance. I am seen as Mr Anti Meds - but it's not like that at all or how I aim to be Dahila. People Hide from the truth - just like the stories of White Lies in the Depression Section. Hmmmmmmmm I am kind of pissed of today with the "no longer available or once public but now private video - and also how we all keep creating BS thoughts in our head with no one wanting to talk about how we BS ourselves like so.

I go see if I can find relevant information on the subject of this thread - Far be it for someone to silence me ............. :)

[Ponder]

My wife is saying it is Echkat Tolle that has taken the video off because I linked it in here? There is a Money Making Venture called Echart TV as well.

I don't't think it was him personally, however I think I am starting to lose HOPE in anything these humans are saying with so much emphasis tied to the Currency side of things. Fuck it! He must be full of shit too! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Yes it's anger now, and yes that's related to fear - fear of living in a world that preaches one thing only to drop you like a brick because one is not signed up. What fucking BS is that! Hey - explain that fucking shit! Just like that Christian Advice - fucking sign up here!

Not feeling well now at all. What the fuck is one suppose to do, follow the lead of more Bullshitters - Sure the advice is solid, but how fucking dare they make it available for such a cost and also again the bullshit plastic audiences LOL - this or that famous actor telling us because it is, that we shall all bow fucking down as well. How much more of a fucked up world can we live in. . hmmmmmmmm

It's like they are just sharing this stuff so they can cope with living with thier comforts while the rest suffer and that is just a case of fucking IS - well fuck them and their deception and corrupt ways - they can preach the shit that works - but as long as the copywrite it - be asured these people add to the problems as well.

Thanks a fucking lot! Praise be to Jesus - sign up here! Thanks Echkart - nice to know your true colors mate. Other think him to be the Antichrist, funny how I like what he has to say, but now hate the prick because obviously he is in it for the money. That shit is what is going to fucking kill me. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr fucking Cunts! I can see now, The only thing he is aware of ,is obviously money - leading people on to drop them in such a way.

OK I go be mindful now.

I will further no doubt make reference to his teaching, but not so much the charlatan .

[Ponder]

what can I say - srry for the outburst - had a good 10-20 minute break.

Honestly, there should be some things in life that are not allowed to be sold. This stuff is like my medicine to me, and whilst I am capable of suddenly being pissed off, the truth is that much of this information that is Sold and Profited from does work with those willing to sift through it all.

Takes a deep breath - it's just a shame that for the poorer mentally ill types that are unable to access this information without paying for it - that the actually handing out of it then withdrawing it, is rather detrimental in itself. Not unlike what drug dealers do. Perhaps we need a how to guide on sourcing self help guides - I pretty much have done good with that, but obviously still get riled just at the though knowing how hard it is for others. Add to that the deception of motive with profit over the message given and ... well that kinds of taints the whole message. Bit like how the bottom dropped out of Christianity for me. All resultant resentments currently being worked on, and perhaps some day when I can string my word right within a mindful zone, I could attempt to present something of benefit myself without all the deception of "here is the answer - it's in a little box locked up deep within you - listen up, I have the key ..........."

You get the picture.

You know -There is a lot of good information in metaphysics as well, however that too - is for a price! The problem with so much information available on the internet today is that greed that comes with it. The other problem is the miss interpretation from that can happen when trying to sift through partial information that more sells itself than it does give relevant information to it's titles. This can happen to me in my own posts because I am still processing much of the deception as well as also having to sort between different topics such as mindfulness, metaphysics, basic mental illness concepts, spiritualism, holistic healing, and on and on and on -

It's hard enough trying to differentiate between the wide array of concepts and see how they gell together as if some kind of scientist looking for an equation that sums up our existence in once easily understood paragraph and or sentence. LOL - nice thought - but it does seem to happen along the way as one finds themselves simply typing rather than thinking. Point is -> imagine just how much harder this is to do with information that is given as a taste, wrapped in an ongoing email with all kinds of insights that lead no where till you hit the sign up link and hand over those numbers. Decoding that is extremely hard and will have you running in circles to the point, like in my above reactive posts, will lead to further blindness.

What is one to do -> More Over -> This is the battle, but more so a concentrated effort on me trying to get well with out relying solely on my meds.
It's not about NOT taking meds - but more defining how to live in a fucked up world - despite how one may attain to seek whatever perceptions and yes - changing perceptions or seeking to understand them is the quest of seeking such information - but be aware to only take pills and ride on that facilitated transformation from one day to the next, is not enough. The pills brought me back from the brink of borderline paranoia - but as mentioned in my rather alienated medication thread - they only go so far and in fact reach a point in which such tools will tip to digging our holes instead.

Alas - my pouring thoughts as they spill out may make no sense, but to me - they are everything as I learn the art of letting what has happened come back again with reenactment and go again - hence I see no point in deleting what I write yet appreciate learning to let it spill as it might.
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Righto , I think that balances out for now -
I take this as a route to check out Jon Kabat Zin - or move onto some other source worth tapping. This is nothing more than a wake up call to the reality of information being nothing more than yet another commodity. My outburst is nothing more than what it is.

Back on track - maybe I should attempt to write a book like Lee -> God Forbid. :) Again - you know me - I can't help but let too much out. A book would perhaps help me fine tune and bring together all those concepts into some kind of guide to pass around - If only I could deliver with what I know is on the tips of all out tongues - but do so in a way that has us all sharing so effectively for FREE!

I only wish I could spill it out more effectively.

Have a good day all - today I SWEAT SOME MORE! The purging is great!

[Dahila]

Dave you can not do anything, you know the vultures feed on weak, and sick..... I do not want to talk about it but this whole system I live in is pissing me off. I am actually happy I do not have left that much time. There are moments that I feel like shooting myself. Good I do not have gun...
Even the buddyst sites are paid ... nothing holy in this world anymore...

[jessed03]

Hey Ponder

Haven't posted in the depression section much since tailspin stopped coming and Dahila begun talking in the regular section of the forum. I've been keeping an eye on all the posts though. Hope the changes you're making get you to a healthier place.

About the Eckhart Tolle money making thing. One wonders what an egoless man needs with much money. Why surely lots of money is an ego thing, and that's against the teachings of the book?

Or perhaps he has advisors leading him astray, in which case, being an egoless being makes you a pushover and doesn't appear as an attractive idea as first thought

*Sigh* maybe it's another case of 'Do as I say... Not as I do'

It reminds me a lot of that George Carlin stand up sketch, where he talks about the church. R.I.P.

God loves you, cares about you, has a plan for you, and always watches over you - BUT HE NEEDS MONEY!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8hefESt7c

[Ponder]

Thank Goodness you can see it too! Yes I saw that as well. We have a multicultural Buddhist centre here in town - I use to think was only western influenced ones that had sign up fee - but I think some more of the traditional ones are also going the way of money too. It's a hard one to swallow and or perceive.

Please talk openly with me Dahila as I'm aiming to make some good out of this. Have a spat - I DID! But I am now feeling much better, although I am sorry if I triggered you badly - My apologies.

So what can we do to make it better -

I will make a post later on FREE HELP - honestly a guide needs to be made. It really is frustrating to hear the reasoning many would be helpers give in order to make their profits. Indeed it very much taints and demeans words that would otherwise carry so much more meaning for us - the very deception in making a living off, the suffering - reveals and exacerbates much of the distrust in those in most need. I guess you have heard it all before with the reasoning of how our perceptions are the ones that need altering, in order to see why it is, that they must charge as they do.

Not sure if you have heard of Cristene Breese UMS - University of Metaphysical Science. I guess one could say she is trying to spread the healing at a low a cost as possible - and YES - that is highly advertised - BUT - I am not sure I buy it. So many people getting into Holistic Healing more to make money than anything else. The advert goes like Planet Earth is undergoing a shift -> Humanity will be in need of spiritualist teachers, perhaps YOU - and on from there - then comes all the courses and how one can make a living. BANG! There it is for me - Make a Living?

About 10 years ago, I have been following some of these would be healing concepts - possibly more intensively the last 8 years. I have seen some of these people start small, then overtime grow into larger organisation that add some cost. NOW I will admit, those who have something to give - may ask for donations in order to provide a more accessible service, however nearly all I have seen start out like that, end up asking for more and more along the way - What takes the cake for me, is when I start reading Bogas Testimonials - Tainted Adverts slipping in (Big One that shows commercialism coming in) and you might even have warning bells like me on other things -

It's such a shame - It's hard to live with something you thought was genuine and also worked of one, to discover how some people go the way of justifying cost. I'm not sure on this Christine Breese, she does seem genuine - but so charming some people can be! I mean - once the stuff is printed out , and I calculate budget photocopying with international postage - hhhhmmmmmmmmmm - online assist (which who knows how brief - then I guess the amount of participants would be a lot - OK - I get that this well meaning lady might be actually offering something that might help. Still though, I cant help but feel a little prickly about people adopting this kind of thing in order to make a living - Yet making a living is a perception that kind of goes against the so called shift that is suppose to be taking place.............or is it?

I have seroiusly considered almost taking on the course, however feel I could just about gain 90% of the information online - Interesting though how it all comes down to "credentials" when authors spat there stuff. In regard to that - all I can say, is that I have found some interesting E-Book publishers very gifted at sharing without brandishing a thing on PHDs, doctrines, degrees and all that - I think this is the way the planet needs to go. Back to the days, when a person worth was with what they had to share, not what the credentials say. Hell - we now have child like doctors running around our hospitals handing out bad advice and medicine. Most got there because of their well adjusted upbringing and special education - yet they are just as sick with even more so bigger EGOs that also justify their highly paid positions.

Todays rush rush and over populated position plus typical complacency sees the children making mal practice common place. That makes me sick! The same too, can definitely be said with mental health - physiatrists are Hugely Over rated and over paid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But such it is in a world that hordes it rewards and does not believe in sharing. Nobody wants to talk about the truth because it makes them feel like they wish they were dead. - I'd rather speak the truth with 2 or 3, and let others come on in like all knowing sheep and bagger away - Oh the triggers they say - Hell, I am quite capable of respecting others threads - I believe I have proven that for the most part - but come on - tell it as you see it. We are not in these places because we are well!
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More on what you say about the Buddhist thing -

Have you access to a mobile device - I use something on Android called Tune In Radio - on it I will search for Buddha and mindfulness podcasts. So much SHIT comes up with adds and western doctors cashing in - you know how it goes - but here is one, that I have found not so bad.

"Free Dharma for a Free Planet" LOL I just made it to the Home page of Radio Buddha & on it is like a shrine with a page full of Gurus. I laugh because to me that plays into the worship mentality - man - oh - man - as long as it keeps the westerners happy I guess - anyway, I change my perspective as all you need to know, what works for me - is to filter through the blindsidedness - my own and the BS as it is -

What I am looking for comes under the heading:

is click on or search for "Buddhist Talk"

But what you want to find to cut through the shit - is "Audio Dharma"

FOUND IT online for you - although I use internet radio in my kitchen:

http://www.audiodharma.org/

OK Is that OK - Is that OK for me to share with my friend - not going to close the site down or make it inaccessible now ...HEY HEY???? Can we plebs listen too...hey hey .....arrrrrrrrrrrrr LOL - who knows - maybe the Christians are watching and don't want the demons to start flying
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Australian Self Help forums are shocking for stuff like that- Like dam republicans on heat preaching from the pulpit! LOL - Praise be - Praise be.

Anyways - Long story short - Seems to be some good talks by a number of different presenters I have come across on the internet at other sites. No audience to distract - bar the odd laughter that makes me reminisce of church sheep - LOL - sorry I was blessed with a special perception - I am sure the doctors have a symptomatic name for such a trait. haha haha

Seriously - there is actually a good episode on "perceptions" also mindfulness and much much relevant issues to this forum than most would care to know. Some good stuff on embracing suffering and how to learn from it. I know you once said to me that there is not much one can learn from suffering, however this is about looking at our own suffering and learning from it. A little different to wishing others bad experiences so that they might learn.

Hmmmmmm - I look one more time at the episodes:
Luminous mind is a good one -

dam it, I cant find the one I mean - point is - if you like buddist stuff - this is not a bad break down. John Kabit Zin speaks somewhere in all this - I think on the Relax one.

Anyways Dahila - I DONT KNOW - but I love SHARING -

You know I am a bit screwy - but I mean no harm - let me give you friendly hug again - cause I am so glad you popped in. :)

[Ponder]

Sorry Jesse, I completely missed your post - sorry about that - reading now - but maybe answer later after tea.

Just off the top of my head - it's not so much the message, but how those that hold the crumbs, dish them out.

[Ponder]

Yea - about that, do you know if Tailspin is OK? I'm glad I am still able to chat with Dahila on accasion. Stuff happens in the background of our lives and I can olny hope that this place helps us/you carry on when I don't see you guys. I hope you have been ok Jesse and good to see you again.

About the Gurus that say they have seen the light and wish to share Vs the how much and sing up profiteering. - I now watch the link you present:

Very very funny stuff - Aint that the truth. One wonders how on earth such followers could ever defend such a position.

I think I leave that guy with the punch line Jesse. Thanks for sharing that. I needed a good laugh other than myself. Smiles.

[Dahila]

Well Ponder you did not press my buttons with your post;)))
YOu would never do it, not you Dave.
I just get pissed totally when I see the charity organization raising the prices. Look at my YMCA; charity organization; gym. When I joined it three years ago I was paying peanuts and the head of local YMCA promised me that I will afford it. I did for year then they raised the price a bit it was ok too. This year there was a huge jump, and they explain to me that they need to make money too. Of course someone else replaced Mike (the boss) so i had no one to talk to. Because my cancellation was 30 days not 31 I had to pay for January too. Subsided international organization, change somehow profile to make the money. This is such bullshit we have in our life that I can not even talk about it. Wherever you turn , someone is going to charge you. Membership which was 6 hundred 3 years ago now is 990. Still we have inflation rate of 0.9 they say. I am dealing with myself and all this unfriendly world around me...

[MiST]

I hate money and greed. For some people though, and i know a few, money, possesions and material goods are everything and they measure a person based on their view of success.

[Dahila]

That's why I posted the topic about the pope, the guy who did not have homemaker and was cooking by himself, it means something. There is only few people in the world that do not abuse power.
Mist thank you for the friend request, I am honored :)

[Ponder]

My wife has been impressed with this New Pope - and we totaly reject modern Christianity - and question very much the agenda from it's very roots. None the less this new pope speaking out against American Imperialism with the main focus on Capitalism being Evil really got my wife's attention and I for one cheer when hearing about the pope speaking out on such things.

Apparently America got its nose out of joint and had their representative Bishop play down the popes announcement. Also some American corporations stated that the pope was generalizing .... a haha haha haha @ that one - typical forum reaction.

Documentary's such a Bible secrets on the History Channel reveal much of the politics and hidden agendas behind Christianity. I have found such series quite liberating Vs - the wonderment of the religion itself.

Jesse's band was full of plebs and what he preached is a far cry from the capitalist ideals of the west, that now seek to oppress what it deems a breach of it's law Vs the rest! In this light, I have always felt - as a young god fearing christian boy, that things were not right! We all know the story of how the romans assimilated the concept of Christianity and have made it what it is tody.

If I were to take up a belief in some kind of "spiritual shift" taking place in this crumbling world - it's that Christianity is loosing what little cohesion it has left. I can only think that this new pope is playing some desperate cards with his controversial statements - as how Jesus first started out, in his bid to start his quest.

Modern Christianity is all about prosperity - it is the foundation of the worlds modern capitalist states that now rule with an imperialistic agenda. They infect, where it is that they claim to heal. If the planet has any hope of equality, it will have to come with a wave of much more suffering set behind a scene of american deception, with hopefully more stand up anti-Christ tagged individuals that can challenge these elites and turn events. Like a Cell group that will cleanse the sickness from the inside out! Terrorist branded individuals to force the evil hand of these would be saints -

I'd sign up to spread such an antidote - preach against capitalism and make living less comfy for these "would be" rich types. Oh the EGO of it all -
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Nothing is really to be done - The American Way is really limited as more and more spills out of the grease traps every year. The stench is being felt world wide and the ideals now braking way to an ever growing audience of decent! Our states here modeled on theirs is becoming more and more policed as they continue to militarise. People no longer swallow that sad soldier tales, nor the peace makers cover story. There time is done - they look more like fools with every new BS release of whatever brainwashing/sucking TV episode -
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Good Call POPE - You fucking tell em! Keep talking like that, and I might bow down and give you a kiss :)

Yes - I'm not here to impress - hard to give up such ideals hey- How dare they speak like so. Sigh - & rolls eyes. Friendships don't work when based on hype, froth and bubble. Take it or leave it -

MiST buddy - will you join my new Cell Group? Lets do something worth while before we leave this world - and they wonder with a country full of Guns - they should make a reality TV show on Suicidal MASS Shootings - they seem to have enough of those - why oh why - and they call themselves the peacemakers - Pffffft -

That is the extent of the BS we see, when watching dicks drive by with two little flags as if looking to drive to the nearest embassy - LOL - I just salute those dicks, then do a hail Hitler. Sheep Sheep - everywhere ya go. "

Come on back now - ya all. ahuh ahuh ...

[Ponder]

So sorry - not to worry, I am sure I am the only one that sees it that way. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Now I can sleep.
Good night to my Cell group Allies. :)

[Dahila]

No Ponder you are not only one to see it. I think more people see it like that, they just do not talk about it, scared to death by the ***8 peacemakers jeeeez the name always cracked me up. Not everyone is eloquent enough to write the post like you do. Many people will agree. I think so.
TAke care :)

[Ponder]

I only wish I could pit it eloquently Dahila. The change needs to come from within and I'm afraid my need to expel perhaps only makes it worse. Adding a name to the nation does not help - how to speak on such things without having it personalized? That is where the bullet bites and the outer perspective lost. The power of idealistic imprinting is cosmic! This be the world residual pain built up from every generation before, so thickly embedded in and laced with patriotic self empowerment. It's like the war never ends for them. All way s got to be on top and in control and preaching fear to maintain it so. The great savours and all that other crap. If anything, they are yet another element of the very force, in which they take so much "pride" for having stopped and keeping at bay. The glorification on which they ride is nothing more than continued indoctrination. Religious brainwashing without the jargon!

The sad reality is not just how people are muzzled with fear, but how evident the mess really is within their own space. That being the self denial and all pumped up on success and grace. Ideals are so easily fed to the young and kept fostered in a nation full of so many carrots - yet with so much spent on the Gun, all they do with what little is left - is to just dangle it a little out of reach, but keep the promises coming and paint the dark color around the rest of the world -> that way they can be kept on a piece of string and the dogs on a leash.

More and more people are being arrest on the new "association laws" here in Australia - YES - it's not just about them - that's my whole point of how easily people personalize - I am talking about a sickness that effects the whole world and it's our right to speak as we wish! --- If you have tattoos be very careful coming to Australia - currently people who ride motor bikes are being targets facing up to FIFTEEN YEARS imprisonment for being a a group of 3 or more. We don't't have guns in this country - we are way beyond that - but whilst that is a good thing - the next step here for imperialists is to enforce the weight of the NEW LAW! Fathers and Sons being separated not by domestic orders, by simply by those of the state for waring patches of Ned Kelly (an old outlaw legend) - Anyone brandishing stickers against the state will be harshly dealt with - soon they will target anyone with a few more brain cells than whom dares to speak out against Authority.

Do not come to Australia or Visit the State of Queensland - as there is a massive decent building between the haves and have nots. A guy who was suicidal the other day was attended by police. When they arrived he set up his bomb! Now here is the thing - whilst people will generally wash off this forum nonsense as mere deluded paranoia, I too am listed as suicidal and I ONE HUNDRED % understand how it is that man exploded his bomb. Hell I only had the cops here the night before last, although not my call - but who knows -

It's the fucking influence - not the 52 states and everyone sheep living in them that we despise. It's not personal - we are fighting our own wars with this spread of idealism and all its corruption that follows with it. It's not about one flag and all its glorified investment - as I said, the stench is out and the BS floating.
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That my friends is the fucked up world. The one in which drives our minds - I am please to say I am not a suicidal raving lunatic, although I hide in disguise among these words - who knows - As I have clearly said several times - I'm done with the BS imprinting and as I said to the enforcers that came to impose on me -

Lets cut through the BS - There is my Hat and Bag - Take Me! - A far cry from mixing fertiliser and being the big threat. I am part of the NO PLAN - No Voting - No Participating - No Consuming - NO I AM NOT SCARED OF YOU - Join the No Party and save the fucking world today, before it's consumed!

Anger is allowed - deal with it as best you can, but dont give in and say YES - Yes is FEAR and leads to more anger - NO may resonate with angry feelings, but leads to PEACE - so in the summery is folks - it's OK to say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Looking forward to more and more arrests in this country - the sooner we can become as sick as the leaders - the sooner this world can come to the cross roads it needs to be - just like my and MiST sitting on the brink as we did and alllllllllllllll those others out there who too, have lost their will!

None the less, if we still breath - practice whatever works for you - because I know - none of the repressive BS on being bigger, better and all conquering could ever be part of and hopeful plan.

Now time to get some shit done!

Adios - and remember -= SAY NO! Just grab your hat and bag - let them do what they need to do. There is not much world left - let them finish it off. Just enjoy what it left without anything they have to offer or say you need - that's the point of NO - better yet, say it with thanks.

That's how a scumbag like me - surrenders - and its much better than exploding! Surrender - but does not mean yo have to give yourself up! Zen practice for us undesirable ones. - honestly - you will get over it and be thankful you did.

I've said what I said - Thank you but No Thanks - now are you going to arrest me - lets go ;)

[Dahila]

Is there really that bad? I have Aussies friends but they do not talk about country and system. Like the subject does not exist. I would say here is similar, it is everywhere this way. Because of your past they will never leave you alone Dave, you just have to lie down for a moment. I worry, about everything, like you, I see the lies, the corruption, I read between the lines. You can not go anywhere without eyes following you. It is technology which is helpful to 'Agencies" How should we call this system?
We are poisoned by food, water, air, we are scared, and we have no power over our life's, that's reality of today. The only power we have is in our head, they still do not control our thoughts.
Dave I know you are off the meds, I do not want anything happen to you. In the short time we are here, I got so attached to you. A friend who is saying what i thinking, because i have limitation with language.....
Please be ...Please .. I know that you have no energy to fight anymore, and I am being selfish but I am and I can not change being selfish. Just for a while pleas..e..
Take Care my friend:))

[Ponder]

It's not something they want to get out. Only just made international news.

www.independent.co.uk

Subject:

Australian State of Queensland adopts populist hard line laws reminiscent is Soviet Russia and Hitlers Germany.

[MiST]

I try and keep some distance between myslef and religion. I have no problem with people who have faith in a god or higher being of some kind, a little faith never hurt anyone and i believe a persons faith is a deeply personal and rewarding experience for them.

However like many i also see the darker side of religion. Extremists and corrupt minds use religion as a means for war and genocide however misguided it may be.

[Dahila]

I had to spend some time to find it, is it the state that years ago was taking aboriginal children to Christian mission for ' raising them in christian environment" ? It's awful.
The world made a whole circle and will not be surprised when they start to build some of the camps.
Mist it is really exactly how it is. I believe people can have faith, I do not care what they believe in. I care so they do not harm, and it does not exist, Religion is a cover for harming others, and for having the political power, what is the Vatican about if not politics and power?

[Ponder]

Morning MiST, Dahila, hope you guys are as ok as ok can be.

Just making breakfast for my wife and I, then will ponder in here for my morning post. Will be about 40 od mintues is all.
Understand if getting to later or have things to do - Just nice to catch you guys within minutes or short time, given the time zones.

I steer this a little more positive, however much of what goes on around us is often ignored, and I think if we can talk about things like this without derailing, then that is much better than not talkingabout them at all - best get back to my eggs - BRB soon. :)

Great to see you in here MiST :)

[MiST]

Hey Ponder,

I agree with you 100%

Religion and other potentially risky discussions are welcome as long as the posters conduct themselves in a mature and respectful way. It's only natural that we all have vastly differing opinions on such things and as long as we respect one anothers beliefs then i see no reason why we cannot discuss such topics.

It would be a pretty boring world if we all believed in the same things.

[Ponder]

I just Google the Subject Title I gave and it was on the list at the TOP of GOOGLE:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australian-state-of-queensland-adopts-populist-hardline-laws-reminiscent-of-soviet-russia-and-hitlers-germany-9040144.html

Queensland is a religious stated and a police state. I understand your reference to having friends in Australia, how just as in here, not everyone wants to see the truth of whats going on. Not only do I live in this State, but I don't own a home - I dont have a Job - and whilst also being considered an undesirable, I care less to fit in. These are attributes for someone nearing the line of being aware/conscious. Australia is "extremely" judgemental on the social status it was fed through the TUBE/TV -> Forgive me as when you say you have friends with respect to -hearing news- ... The variable difference in social position could mean those friends of your may very well of voted in this current government and reason for either not caring, or simply blinded by their own comfort or quite the opposite - in their own pain. I don't't know - but I do know, what I have said.

Yes QLD is like the old ways from the EMPIRE which landed in this country only some 200+ years ago and exterminated much of the natives - Just like america and the native their. That's like comparing how the Russians inhumanly treated German Prisoners then turning the tables on that. The world holds onto its pain - rather then look at where it's really at. Much more comfy that way - feeds the pain rather than addresses it.

Aboriginals get plenty of money now (more/unbalanced-handled very poor and admin incites racism with its handling) and have more rights than your average poor white trash. My niece was raped by two aboriginals, my mums house home invaded (husband doctor to these people) - and my brother had his head smashed with an Iron Bar. Very touchy subject for me - but you are not to know. Again - PEOPLE and FRIENDS can be either aware or unaware of these things, pending personal belief and experiences. The "thing" about the aborigines is proof that the powers that be, have not handle things well with throwing money and singing woes me stories that the well to do use as some tool when boasting how far society has come. The writing is on the wall for those of us Not outside the drum/or beating it with tales of the past. EDIT ------>> I hold no grudge as I too stand with all sufferers - I don't't like Hate - despite the ego I give into so often myself and the anger that arises --- please understand, I will be friends with ANYONE!!!!!!!!!
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Yes I am off my meds - and feeling my strength return. I understand that you may read between the lines as not everyone's experience is the same (re friends in Australia and my context on that) ... But I am pretty much out there and rather concise compared to the full time victim I use to "be" - now I must discern this stuff in order to find reason to "be" - aka go on - have reason to live in such an insane position and decide how It is that I will live in peace..

No doubt, it all floods my mind - but I think I am doing well with it - and I will continue to write in here as I must.
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Yes MiST I feel like wise with respect to people having a belief - but religion itself has proven to be rather shallow.
That topic I save for it too has abused me -

Lots to do today - I will always continue to speak out - but act out - hmmmmmmm I've already mentioned my Hat and Bag - Arrest Me. what we do before the Authorities come - is as important as acting in someone's life, rather than just showing up for the funeral. Soon we will be rid of such standard religious endings for people who never believed - so shallow humans be.

Don't't worry about me Dahila - I'm getting stronger everyday - Pacing myself. ;)

[Ponder]

MiST - last thing I say this morning:

It really really and really gladdens me to see you pop in here :)

[Ponder]

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Enough complaining! Even away with the exclamations.

Takes a deep breath. Been listening to the "Four Noble Truths" on Audio Dharam:
http://www.audiodharma.org/

Glad I did. Very pertinent to my suffering and inability to fully let that go. Still though - LOL

Thing is, people seem rather unmoved when I discuss the deeper meaning of being mindfulness - therefore, then I guess I will speak in truths as I have seen them and in a language whilst more readily understood, the subject matter is still devoid of wondrous lifts, positive vibes and so on. Boring.

So back to the Nature - to enjoy what little is left. Again Buzz kill - but not for me, as the term "little left" is to remain true to what's really going on, whilst others seek to win win win - Is it age that makes me less impressed with the great noble proclamations of humanity and it's awe inspiring civilization - of is it both that and the level of suffering that one clings too before finally and completely dis-identifying - but not just from the disappointment of humanity but also from self.

My latest push to pick myself up and reclaim my inner self - as usual purges a lot of negativity. Too much to be understood or accepted in this forum I think. I'm ready to turn into some kind of public self educated inner reflection based on something more spiritual. Again - not really appropriate for this forum.

I'll see what I can come up with a Google Search - The other alternative for me is to look into more "hard core" sufferers somewhat older, considered more deluded, all seeking something other than what's on humanities regular menu.

Purge complete - Wink Wink.

[Dahila]

hehehe, you think that people are not interested in your posts? No true.
Most people here are very young, and they still have so much to learn. Older folks know what important. I think all anxiety and depression sufferers will turn toward the nature, if they know how much anxiety it takes away. We must find the treasures and love in us. If we do not provide it , who will.
Material things do not give us peace or quiet, they make us crazy, what you do Ponder , it is the right thing. You get rid of that garbage we collect in our houses and minds. It helps tremendously, we need to travel light :))
I will start to meditate again, maybe it does not take away my anxiety but it helps to reach the inner peace, which is so important to me...

[jessed03]

I try and keep some distance between myslef and religion. I have no problem with people who have faith in a god or higher being of some kind, a little faith never hurt anyone and i believe a persons faith is a deeply personal and rewarding experience for them.

However like many i also see the darker side of religion. Extremists and corrupt minds use religion as a means for war and genocide however misguided it may be.

A bumper sticker I saw that made me laugh said 'Dear Lord - PROTECT ME FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS'

How true sometimes :)

Ponder, I never know how to respond to your posts. I don't mean that in a bad way at all! It's just they seem so expressive, so full of emotion, so full of contemplation that I feel there is nothing I can do but just read them and follow the journey you go on? Does that make sense.

I feel I'm no place to add anything of relevance. I've been rather tired lately, seeking some escapism after some recent battles. I feel I am quite withdrawn emotionally, lacking expression and bored of reaching no conclusions with my contemplations.

I have begun (as I said to Mist) to collect bits and pieces from certain people in order to regain that enthusiasm!

Reading your posts is like reading a diary. You know those books that are written in diary format, and you get a very intimate portrait of the character? Yeah, it feels like that. I read them hoping you find some relief, but also to see how you deal with certain struggles.

They are interesting because you seem to hold very little back..

Ugh I am rambling here.

You know when you write, hoping something intelligent or interesting will come out, but it never appears. I feel like that here LOL

Thanks for making the depression forum all the more insightful - yeah that's - that's what I was trying to say :D

[Ponder]

Jesse, I know what you mean bro - You said that rather well, which I am thankful for. I understand many people require a boost by means others than my own ramblings. Others have been kind referring to many of my posts as confronting and challenging. I am beginning to see my old patterns of resistance come into play as I push myself out of my complacency and or focus on waking up to a wasted life anchored on pain and suffering.

I don't' mean to be arrogant, all knowing and just plain me me me me - but that's how I feel I am being one moment, whist in the next trying to play the victim with me me me again. I guess that is part of my illness and the process of going insane when constantly wrestling instead of doing what one reads. You have been patient - many of you have been very patient with me and I am thankful for that. I'll stabilise soon enough. :)
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Dahila is very right to bring my attention back to nature - Without it, I am very much ADHD type of thing - tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick - Just like video gaming - everything has its place with me - I will eventually work out how much to do of each thing. Getting approved for disability, having to move house, coming off meds (or giving it a try) the exercising - the police - Hell, I best make a call and touch base with therapist on the coast - so much to do man -

Sometimes I forget myself and your right - I let it all out. I can feel it though - soon I return to poetry when I have time to collect my thoughts - like my photography I can be slow with those things - I take much time to write with collected and well thought out verses - after I set up on the coast I will upload some new photos taken with a little more passion that of those things I have been selling.

Did I tell you guys - I contacted a local archery club. Unfortunately the target archery club do not do Bare Bows (traditional shooting) - I ended up organising to shoot with field Archer's but not too excited about shooting under the banner of ABA "Australian Hunting Association" I want to do it for my Son(plus me) because he bought two Chinese bare bows which we both have fun with. It's a social challenge for me, and not sure how I will go, however I had a good chat on the phone with the head person which sounded like a nice lady. Bit worried still that are bows will be considered cheap garbage - although she assures me, this will not be the case.

Problem is, I think I explained wrong on the phone and the she thinks we have like English standard recurves, when what we have is an Asian variant with not even an arrow rest. I love how these Asian bows are so simple and also the focus that is required to get good groupings. Actually, it's not just my son - I too LOVE having fun with these bows we have - Just does not seem to be many people shooting this way. I think they call it instinctive shooting - and is more a specialized club - Our plan is to practice out back at the new place which back onto an inlet - I can also deck out the BIG shed for indoor practice as well.
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Man I know I keep coming up with new things to do - so here is yet one more - other than get that hear monitor watch - I got a small loan for a new project to keep my mind busy and in a routine - You might like this one Dahila - the new place we move to is like veggie growing season all yea round. Instead of getting into veggies full only like I do when I be well - this time I am going to dedicate a full on container garden to healing herbs! I all ready have a high quality 9 tray Excalibur food dryer and also even thinking about using our cold press to make oils too. Remember we were talking about market ideas - well - not sure that it would be worthwhile due to effort and outlay, but then again, people are being charged quite a bit for organic herbs, oils and holistic like type products - don't know - but I would love to have it so that the kitchen was full of herbs dangling from lines of string - and all sorts of other processing going on with a strong healthy scent emanating through the whole house. Like open up the windows and mix it with the ocean air.

OK - I get back to cleaning - so close, but yet so far away.

Take care guys -
Dave.

[jessed03]

Thank you Frankie :)

Thanks too Dave, for the part in your above message, where you said my post was pretty well said. I must confess, I do start writing sometimes, with the intention of saying something, but no idea at all how I'm gonna say it. It is rather a happy coincidence when the message does get across!

I'm assuming you prefer the depression forum for it's slower pace? The anxiety section can be very repetitive and less about musings. Also a little less serious at times (trust a Brit to get a kick out of that right!)

I'm just wondering though, whether depression is a bigger issue in your life than anxiety or not? Or whether they're equal? Or whether there's just a whole 'bunch' of label less stuff going on for you? I'm quite interested to hear you would define it, or if you even indeed do try and define the undefinable. A lot to be said for going label less and treating each arising issue as an energy, rather than a 'problem' in urgent need of 'solving'.

Take care guys.

[jessed03]

Edit: just seen your most recent post ponder. You can ignore the above post if you like!

[Dahila]

Archery is cool. I would like to do it myself, I teaches the folks concentration. It is the lost art, as long as is not harming animals is ok.
Mindfulness meditations; are you doing it guys, Dave do you do this with open eyes? I find it uncomfy....
Any one meditating?

[jessed03]

I tried eyes open I just couldn't get it at all. I just stick to eyes closed.

[Dahila]

I tried eyes open I just couldn't get it at all. I just stick to eyes closed.
Oh so it is difficult for others too. Thank you Jessed, I keep closed too, otherwise I get distracted....maybe one day :))